1 strike for missing a duty? >.> Seems Harsh Yoshi

[Kaethra]

When you are so absorbed with what other players are doing that you deny them natural human needs.

Sometimes the bathroom need hits you randomly and you may have been in queue for a bit already, most times you get back before any queue pop, once in awhile you might miss it.

Having to use the bathroom while waiting for queues does not need a punishment lol...

Then click Withdraw, then requeue when you get back. I do this myself.

But you know what? I withdraw my idea. Lets keep the 30 minute lockout instead. Its far more than the queue is currently to relogin. Good job your idea is great.

[Misutoraru]

It can easily take longer than 45 seconds to go to the bathroom, which I consider likely to be the most common reason for missed queues. Forced logout seems a bit harsh for that.

Can also stuck in cut scene or other Quest dialogue when queuing with a different job.
So I am with you big no to that suggestion

[Catwho]

Is this really confirmed? I thought only the person who failed to confirm would get the strike.

Pretty sure it is the whole group - unless it is a full 4 person or 8 person pre-formed, in which case there is no penalty.

There is also no penalty for withdrawing for the queue prior to the duty pop, regardless of whether you are solo or with a group.

[Machka]

Then click Withdraw, then requeue when you get back. I do this myself.

But you know what? I withdraw my idea. Lets keep the 30 minute lockout instead. Its far more than the queue is currently to relogin. Good job your idea is great.

Your sarcasm aside, I think you're kinda missing the point still. What people are trying to point out is that a forced logout on a crowded server for missing a single queue pop is an unreasonably harsh punishment because there are so many legitimate reasons someone might miss a queue pop while actively playing. Going to the bathroom for a minute, being stuck in combat while trying to change back to the job you queued as, being in a cutscene you don't want to skip because you can't abandon quest to simply rewatch it (Several ShB MSQ cutscenes), just to name a few. Most of those situations come up when queue times are long and players are actively playing instead of simply sitting around waiting.

As for withdrawing from a queue just to use the bathroom, that could be reasonable if your queue times are short, but it's unreasonable to expect someone to do that if their queue times are already pretty long.

Say someone is 19 minutes into an estimated 21 minute queue - would you expect them to withdraw from a queue and potentially need to wait another 21 minutes just to use the bathroom real quick? It's not their fault they need to use the bathroom. They might not have needed to use the bathroom 19 minutes ago. If the queue pops a little bit earlier than the game estimated and they miss the queue, well that sucks for them but that's how the system is set up. Missing the queue pop is already punishment enough, since they have to start their queue all over again. To kick a player off and force them in to yet another queue just to get back into the game they were playing on top of that would be a terrible user experience. It's unreasonably harsh given the other penalties already in place for this sort of thing.

[Hash_Browns]

Gonna be honest - getting a strike for cancelling out of 1 duty should be a thing considering that you can use ACT to see what you will go into for your roulette. I believe it's 3 though, is it not?

[Kaethra]

Your sarcasm aside, I think you're kinda missing the point still. What people are trying to point out is that a forced logout on a crowded server for missing a single queue pop is an unreasonably harsh punishment because there are so many legitimate reasons someone might miss a queue pop while actively playing. Going to the bathroom for a minute, being stuck in combat while trying to change back to the job you queued as, being in a cutscene you don't want to skip because you can't abandon quest to simply rewatch it (Several ShB MSQ cutscenes), just to name a few. Most of those situations come up when queue times are long and players are actively playing instead of simply sitting around waiting.

As for withdrawing from a queue just to use the bathroom, that could be reasonable if your queue times are short, but it's unreasonable to expect someone to do that if their queue times are already pretty long.

Say someone is 19 minutes into an estimated 21 minute queue - would you expect them to withdraw from a queue and potentially need to wait another 21 minutes just to use the bathroom real quick? It's not their fault they need to use the bathroom. They might not have needed to use the bathroom 19 minutes ago. If the queue pops a little bit earlier than the game estimated and they miss the queue, well that sucks for them but that's how the system is set up. Missing the queue pop is already punishment enough, since they have to start their queue all over again. To kick a player off and force them in to yet another queue just to get back into the game they were playing on top of that would be a terrible user experience. It's unreasonably harsh given the other penalties already in place for this sort of thing.

No Sarcasm at all.

Right now, if you miss a queue, lets say you were in for 40 minutes. Queue pops you cannot requeue again for 30 minutes to wait for another 40 minutes. That little bathroom break just cost you 70 minutes. That's how it works now.

My solution was to replace the 30 minute penalty. With a queue to get back in. A queue that is what? 5-10 minute tops? But that compromise was rejected for the status quo. So yes, I decided to stay with the status quo since it is far more restrictive then my suggestion.

And yes I've been in queue for 20 minutes at a time only to withdraw, do what I need to do, and then come back to requeue for another 20 min. Though typically I get what I need to get done before I even initially queue. So its uncommon (though it still happens) that I have to withdraw.

But I say leave it as it is. No one met halfway so I don't see the need to myself. My decision is made. You don't need bother trying to convince me otherwise, save the effort.

[Catwho]

One thing I found extremely helpful was investing in a pair of wireless headphones, so I can get up and move around and when the queue finally pops, not miss it.

[Miste]

No Sarcasm at all.

No sarcasm? Your post was drenched in it. Not that I blame you for it, I was pretty blunt with you anyway, but at least own up to it.

All the system does is move directly to the next person in line, nine times out of ten it pops again immediately with a replacement if someone withdraws. What need is there to punish people further than just the current system we have?? Also just FYI the only reason our current system exists is because of people fishing for in progress duties, not due to people simply missing a queue due to bathroom or other reasons.

Does something totally inconsequential to your own play matter that much??

If you want to withdraw anytime you have to use the bathroom quick or go get a drink for that matter then go for it, more power to you, but like the reason most people don't do that is because it is silly and only achieves to waste more of your own time.

Why remove your queue time for that when you are likely going to make it back to your computer for the queue pop? If you DO happen to miss the queue, well sadly you got bad luck and the punishment is one strike and you also have to wait in the queue line again...but the queue you missed just grabs a new person and the people in queue get their duty. What harm was done??

Right now, if you miss a queue, lets say you were in for 40 minutes. Queue pops you cannot requeue again for 30 minutes to wait for another 40 minutes. That little bathroom break just cost you 70 minutes. That's how it works now.

That is not how it works now. You have to get 3 strikes of missing a queue pop within 24 hours for it to immediately penalize you for missing a pop. If you read my post replying to that other poster you may have seen that missing 3 queues due to bathroom is highly abnormal and not likely.

My solution was to replace the 30 minute penalty. With a queue to get back in. A queue that is what? 5-10 minute tops? But that compromise was rejected for the status quo. So yes, I decided to stay with the status quo since it is far more restrictive then my suggestion.

Yeah your solution is to immediately penalize a missed queue, EVEN ONE, and log people out. Some servers are quite full and forcing people back into queue just because they declined ONE single queue is ridiculous.

And yes I've been in queue for 20 minutes at a time only to withdraw, do what I need to do, and then come back to requeue for another 20 min. Though typically I get what I need to get done before I even initially queue. So its uncommon (though it still happens) that I have to withdraw.

So..you've waited in queue for 20 minutes just to withdraw cause you had to go to the bathroom? I mean...if you want but that is such a waste of time. You likely could have got back and still got your queue, or if you happened to miss it then you simply break even. Sure you get one strike for that day, but most people playing normally won't get 3 strikes.

But I say leave it as it is. No one met halfway so I don't see the need to myself. My decision is made. You don't need bother trying to convince me otherwise, save the effort.

Like spend some time reading Machka's post really closely, she points out a lot of reasons why someone might decline or miss a queue, being punished immediately for a single missed queue is ridiculous. So yeah, no one is going to "meet you half way" on it.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Gonna be honest - getting a strike for cancelling out of 1 duty should be a thing considering that you can use ACT to see what you will go into for your roulette. I believe it's 3 though, is it not?

Right, let's punish everyone because of just a handful of people. Should we start arresting anyone who owns knives at home? I mean, they can also be used to stab someone.

[Neri]

I do blame the system sometimes. The queue said 15 minutes, I decided to go and grab some water for 2 minutes, came back to the pc and bam, I had 10 seconds left on the timer counting down.