Scholar Aetherflow Issues

[Nethereal]

I’m offering my opinion on the changes, and while it comes from someone who is not a SCH main by any stretch, you are being unnecessarily hostile in this response. Please, take a few seats.

While I'm sorry you feel I'm being hostile and or condescending, your opinion is uninformed and is based on second hand information that you haven't gone through yourself(hopefully seen first hand at least) and while I focus on the class as a whole your view of it is currently on the lower levels and lacks information on the tail end of it making your argument feel genuinely dishonest. If you knew about some of the things I talked about prior and mentioned them instead of ignoring them(what I assumed because you didn't clarify) then I would have taken a different approach. Hopefully we both now understand each other's point of view.

A few things. Why is the fact they heal more than dps relevant? I would like to know what that has to do with anything. It's not like the healing requirements are the limiting factor here.

You ask that but the exact same point applies to dps. I only brought it up because you brought up dps they're just even factors they're equal but you seem to think of healing as being the side mechanic of lilies.

Also, why am I focusing on dps? Just so we're clear, Lilies are mainly a glorified swifcast timer reset you can use on cure II and medica. Nothing more. Rapture is a switfcast medica and Solace a swifcast cure II.

You're completely ignoring the fact they're resource free that fact alone already makes them incomparable to swiftcasted spells. Regardless of that misery is still only 50% of the mechanic whether you like it or not. While the other half is resource free instant healing with yes the advantage to weave.

You're still limited to the GCD so you'll need to wait to do anything. Whether you cast medica and get the heal at the end of your GCD or cast rapture and get the heal at the beginning of your GCD it's the same thing.
The real upside to this mechanic is 1) an opportunity to weave after the heal in order to keep DPS uptime 2) misery for DPS uptime 3) healing and DPS uptime during mobility
So yeah it's almost all about the DPS, without the DPS it's nothing much. Actually, without the DPS it's essentially a mobility tool (in a setting where you wouldn't want to gcd heal anyways... so yeah), and potentially a single gcd burst mechanicsm.

You clearly know that not all weaves are offensive so I don't see why you separated 1 and 3 considering they're the exact same. And again you ignore the healing because of bias and the fact it's a completely free resource. Healing in this game is predictable but even with that it still is equal to dps by definition. You're not going to be clearing any current content fights without some form of healing and vice versa. Lilies by design are supposed to represent the balance between healing and dps but you seem either unwilling or unable to see that due to your bias towards dps. Even if you combined the fact that optimization on healers is largely to increase dps up time the point still stands and you'll never get around that.

The DPS aspect of the afflatus suit is such a big component of the mechanic that if you took the healing out of it completely you would still use it! Comparatively AF would serve no purpose.

Except you're talking about an impossibility so it's irrelevant. If AF didn't heal it would do something else, like on smn. And you seem to not be able to do math either because misery requires 4 gcds before it can even be used and just some simple math you would be able to tell 4x glare is 1200 potency versus misery's 900. The purpose of misery is to refund your dps lost during healing, healing. Why do you not understand this? If you took the healing out afflatus and didn't change misery it would never be used, did you not think about this at all? Strictly speaking using misery is a dps loss the only reason misery is even used is because it heals and refunds the dps lost for doing it, why are you so biased you are unable to see this? Can you not see the balance between dps and healing from the way lilies function alone? The reason misery is a dps gain is because the time you would spend healing is recovered from the three HEALING lilies used prior to using misery.

The only common ground is that they're both healing mechanisms that are geared towards minimizing your dps loss (in whm case can even potentially increase your dps). This should come to no surprise but the reason for this is that, again, healing requirements in FF14 are pretty low.

They're both mechanics geared towards healing and minimizing your dps loss, why is it so hard for you to admit that healing and dps are just two sides of the same coin?

So yeah I'm making it a DPS conversation because it's mostly a DPS uptime tool in a game where healing kits are meant to free up DPS uptime anyways. (and it's a great tool at that, lets just call a cat a cat)

Yes lets just call a cat, a cat. So it would be amazing if you stopped your bias towards healing the only thing that could remotely justify it is that you can never have too much dps versus you can always have too much healing in terms of availability.

When in the hell was I even using math? Especially in the text you quoted. You even quoting the right person dude?

Because if you knew how to use math then you would know what you're suggesting would never even come as a thought to any rational person balancing a game that is completely based around math.

If you want your idea to be taken even a little seriously you have to at least elaborate on your idea instead of leaving it opened ended by saying stuff like

I am ok with Indom, Excog, and Sacred Soil remaining aetherflow skills, but those CDs need to be drastically reduced; then just make all the skills share the recast timer. If we were to get ED back, it would make even more sense for them to set up aetherflow this way.

If you knew the math for how these abilities work, especially sacred soil you wouldn't say any of that. Reduce the CD on sacred soil? We're already praying they don't nerf sacred soil in its current state.