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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    I see it as unnecessary micromanagement, and a bit of a cop out.

    I don't upload my fflogs, so I've no idea what mine look like, if anything. But I clear EX and Savage with my FC, with no use of fflogs or dps meters, and we do the content just fine.

    Fflogs isn't an adequate measure of your ability, running the content is.
    Run the content, and if a player isn't doing the mechanics or playing their job well, then you can ask them to leave. It takes 5 minutes to wipe to any fight, and only a few runs to know what the problem is.
    Not necessarily. If you wipe to an Enrage multiple times, how are you supposed to figure out who the weakest link is without an external resource? How can you discern if one healer is slacking off in terms of healing or one DPS is pulling numbers from the previous expansion despite not dying? You can't. Clearing the content doesn't mean much when it's easy for 7 people to carry a person, and this goes for any content except Ultimate.

    This isn't to say anything about jobs that are supposed to buff the highest DPS (AST, DNC). How do you know without one? You don't, really.

    Quote Originally Posted by HWalsh View Post
    You may think FFlogs is okay, but it is info you're not meant to natively have. It corrupts the heart of the game. It goes against the intention of the design.
    Well, in FFXIV, there are a lot of DPS checks. When so much centers around DPS checks, suddenly parsers do matter. When you have jobs that are supposed to buff the highest damage dealer (DNC, AST), they do matter.

    Do you ever wonder why older games had relatively easier content? It wasn't due to devs not knowing how to ratchet things up, it was because the micromanaging wasn't possible by the player base. So they didn't have to tune them so high.
    While I don't play anything outside of FFXIV, I've heard that FFXI used to have far more challenging content than anything FFXIV has ever brought to the table. Ultimate aside. Same for WoW, where they actually have in-game parsing add ons, if I'm not mistaken.

    Parsers and such changed how the game was played and I, for one, liked how they were born. If we were meant to have parsed data, then the game would've been built with a parser. Period.
    We do have the data though: it's in the combat log. A parser just condenses it for us. That said, Yoshida knows players use these tools. As long as they don't harass players with them or mention them in-game, nothing happens. He's watched world prog groups on Twitch with their parsers present.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    If they're doing 0 DPS, 0 + 3% is still 0. It's their DPS, because the amount of DPS your buffs grant them depends on how much DPS they're already doing.
    In terms of rDPS, it goes to whomever is giving the buff. So, AST cards go towards the AST's rDPS. Anyone who receives the buffs have it subtracted from their rDPS.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 07-17-2019 at 10:36 PM.