SE: Please copyright takedown FFLogs.

[SaberMaxwell]

Ah yes, it's commonly known that knowing someone's parse is basically the same thing as doxxing them.

[aiqa]

Yes that link literally states in multiple places situations where your PERSONAL information can or cannot be collected/reused/processed/etc.

Focusing on one word but then ignoring the more detailed explanation is not going to hold up.
"Personal" is a bit of a vague term, but you can easily argue your personal actions (which result in dps, etc) is personal information.
But that is open for debate.
And that is why there is a more detailed explanation that explains what that law applies to, which I've quoted a few times now.

If you don't want read up on EU legislation that is fine, it's not overly interesting after all.
But please stop trying to convince people fflogs is perfectly legal, you're only spreading misinformation.

[ForteNightshade]

I get what you're saying, but just a heads up here. They can write whatever they want in the tos, but there are real laws protecting users' rights. No ToS can override that. Even if you signed it.

Not Talking about anything particular, just general information.

And you would be told the information regarding your character, including their combat data, does not belong to you. Therefore, it is not your data to protect nor you decision.

Why is this so difficult to understand? Everything in the world of FFXIV belongs to Square Enix.

[MariaArvana]

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It's collecting the data The game itself, the thing that's part of your agreement with Square, makes public to everyone in your party naturally.

Literally all FFlogs does is takes all data the game itself makes public and condenses it to an easy to read format. The instant you join ANY content, you're broadcasting that data out to everyone out in your party, whether anyone's actually using FFlogs in that party or not. Literally anyone you partied with could comb through their saved local game logs and find the same data.

FFlogs is a library. It doesn't have any content on its own, its merely using publicly available information (Square's battle logs it broadcasts to players) to fill out its content. It's not taking any data that your agreement with Square isn't blaring publicly to everyone you party with already. That's also putting aside the simple fact that Square already claims intellectual rights on any characters you create, so you don't even own the character anyway and thus it's not "personal" to you as an individual.

[Racen]

Focusing on one word but then ignoring the more detailed explanation is not going to hold up.
"Personal" is a bit of a vague term, but you can easily argue your personal actions (which result in dps, etc) is personal information.
But that is open for debate.
And that is why there is a more detailed explanation that explains what that law applies to, which I've quoted a few times now.

If you don't want read up on EU legislation that is fine, it's not overly interesting after all.
But please stop trying to convince people fflogs is perfectly legal, you're only spreading misinformation.

fflogs is perfectly legal.

[YukinoAmidala]

Focusing on one word but then ignoring the more detailed explanation is not going to hold up.
"Personal" is a bit of a vague term, but you can easily argue your personal actions (which result in dps, etc) is personal information.
But that is open for debate.
And that is why there is a more detailed explanation that explains what that law applies to, which I've quoted a few times now.

If you don't want read up on EU legislation that is fine, it's not overly interesting after all.
But please stop trying to convince people fflogs is perfectly legal, you're only spreading misinformation.

I've read the article you have provided and even considering everything mentioned there fflogs does not provide a way to identify you as an "individual".

Using your logic on how to define what is personal information would make this forum illegal since it is showing me your characters name which to you is personal information.

Your character, actions, dps, etc in FFXIV are all owned by Square Enix.

Information that you do not own cannot be personal information. Plain and simple.

[Melichoir]

It's data that "directly or indirectly identifies you as an individual".

That is so vaguely open ended its meaningless.

Define individual. Do they mean the fact that you are a human being therefore it identifies you? By that logic, any time you say anything in game, it falls into that. Or the fact you post here on a public forum falls into that. If you use an anonymous account on social media of any kind, it falls into that. If someone quotes something you say, that counts, even if they dont name or even describe you. The vaguest of things could simply be "I heard someone once say 'x'" and that would fall into 'data that directly or indirectly identifies you as an individual." It's a meaningless clause if read that way. And Im pretty sure that isnt it's intended reading.

If its identifies you as a specific person with a specific set of data, then you may have an argument. As in this data tells us your name, home address, phone number, SS, or other information that can be used to single you out IRL, then you got that.

But FFLogs does not do this (unless you willingly put your own information to it, but thats on you). We dont know your name, your address, sex, gender, height weight, employment, personal beliefs, marital status and etc. We know nothing of that from your in game avatar or how you are parsing. There is no way that this information can identify the real life you unless you do something silly like explicitely say "My name is 'x', I live at y, and am z and this is my data" But at that point, youre publically disclosing your personal information.

Beyond this, this argument is also predicated that I cant report things I see in a public setting which is what fflogs does. For example, if you and I are playing basketball, and the score is 5 to 3 and I go on my blog and write "Aiqa scored 5 points, where I scored 3.", your argument is that I violated your privacy. All ff logs is transcribe the information in the battle log which anyone in the party has access to and posts it. It doesnt do this automatically. It does this when we post it. It's literally just logging what was done, and then posting it to a public blog. The whole "DPS numbers" and what not are factored out using math based on the information the log provides. It's not releasing any thing you havent done.

Again, you are free to hold this opinion, but I disagree. This is not even close to the general consensus when it comes to online privacy policies.

You are implying so many things such as companies like google, facebook or phone companies collecting data on you and selling it is not a privacy concern just because your name isn't directly attached.

It might not be a big privacy concern, but that doesn't mean it has nothing to do with privacy.

This is a mischaracterization of the issue with privacy online. The issue people have is companies like google taking your personal habits and selling that information to third parties or using that personal data to target you directly to influence your choices or thinking. In the case of battle logs, if I am playing the game with you and witness you do certain things and post it, its not violating your privacy in this regards. I am witnessing you do something in a public environment where that information is recorded and posting that information. Youre not being singled out as a real life individual, the information isnt being sold, and it's not being used to influence your thinking or choices maliciously.

[aiqa]

Literally all FFlogs does is takes all data the game itself makes public and condenses it to an easy to read format.

But that is like exactly the problem.
"Data protection and online privacy" laws apply "whenever information directly or indirectly identifying you as an individual is stored or processed".

The thing is, you have to explicitly agree when someone stores or processes "information that directly or indirectly identifies you as an individual".
And like I've explained a few times, (indirectly) identifying someone doesn't necessarily mean having any other personal information about them.
Being able to say "that is one person and that is another" is enough.

So the only thing fflogs really has to do (or can do) to make things fully legal is make it opt-in and anonymize everything else.

[Renka777]

I'm 100% sure Yoshi P is aware of this website since a long time

[LiteBrite]

The hypocrisy and the double standards in this thread, is quite amazing.