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  1. #8371
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    The person who drew that is also working on a 3D model of their character, which I thought looked really nice.
    I already posted it before, but since you're asking...

    model by twitter user: @gIue_stick

    It's obviously not done yet, but this is what this particular face would look like in 3D. I would like to have something like this as a face option. The model is based off the drawing I think.
    This could be a good face for the 'young' option that males always have. It looks like a young man. Even a bit older looking than the young option that Elezen/Hyur/Miqo'te have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    It's the best compromise, I think. I know quite a few people in this thread were asking for them to be designed after Elezen, so Urianger's model could also work as a great base as it is also similar to the art in question. I was very impressed with his big, beefy arms throughout the latest in-game adventures!
    Urianger's model is a normal Elezen model. Not saying it wouldn't be a good base or anything (cuz I love Elezen male bodies unu), but I just keep having to point out that Elezen have always looked like that.

    Female Viera are almost identical in body shape and size to female Elezen, obviously body base that would make the most sense would be male Elezen.
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  2. #8372
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsumdere View Post
    Urianger's model is a normal Elezen model. Not saying it wouldn't be a good base or anything (cuz I love Elezen male bodies unu), but I just keep having to point out that Elezen have always looked like that.

    Female Viera are almost identical in body shape and size to female Elezen, obviously body base that would make the most sense would be male Elezen.
    Female viera don't have an identical body shape to female Elezen. They have similar height. Their body is actually a midlander's with a bit of muscle definition. Elezen are more rectangular shaped. If they did a male version I would expect them to probably just do the same thing, use the midlander model with a decent amount of definition, similar height to Elezen. However, on the male end there are much less differences with body shape, most of what makes an Elezen look different are their tiny heads and long necks - which make their shoulders look very wide. The slightly wider frame on Elezen females makes it look unappealing.

    Elezen can look good, but you need to have specific outfits for them. Specifically outfits that hide their proportions, in my opinion.
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  3. #8373
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Female viera don't have an identical body shape to female Elezen. They have similar height. Their body is actually a midlander's with a bit of muscle definition. Elezen are more rectangular shaped. If they did a male version I would expect them to probably just do the same thing, use the midlander model with a decent amount of definition, similar height to Elezen. However, on the male end there are much less differences with body shape, most of what makes an Elezen look different are their tiny heads and long necks - which make their shoulders look very wide. The slightly wider frame on Elezen females makes it look unappealing.

    Elezen can look good, but you need to have specific outfits for them. Specifically outfits that hide their proportions, in my opinion.
    Every single female race sans Lalafell uses the same base model, so it's really nitpicking at this point... but.



    Viera heads are bigger and they've smoothed out the model. That's it.


    I expect them to just update the male Elezen body and upscale the head for male Viera tbh. Maybe give them a little more definition in the stomach/ab area.
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  4. #8374
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsumdere View Post
    Every single female race sans Lalafell uses the same base model, so it's really nitpicking at this point... but.



    Viera heads are bigger and they've smoothed out the model. That's it.


    I expect them to just update the male Elezen body and upscale the head for male Viera tbh. Maybe give them a little more definition in the stomach/ab area.
    They use the same model but here's the thing, it's modified. They do look different. Viera have wider hips, are slimmer, their heads match the proportion of their body. In different lighting, and even here, you can see more muscle definition of Viera. Also, for that matter if you are trying to tell me they all use the same "identical" model why did you specifically name Elezen? Elezen have less curves, they look like a cardboard box. When you actually see them in game next to your viera, you can easily spot all the differences. Yes, head size makes a big impact on how they are perceived, and Elezen have tiny heads.

    For that matter you can spot the differences in all of the female races. Midlander is a bit more slim than miqo'te, au ra are very petite much smaller than either, elezen are cardboard boxes, roe are much wider and broad in stature, highlander actually use the same body as miqo'te but they have a muscle slider.. Even if they all used the exact same model their idle poses, and animations would make them look distinctively different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    I very much agree with this. In my opinion, it does make sense to use male elezen as a base for male viera, and I think if male viera are added, this will most likely be the base the devs use. Of course, the proportions will be modified, just like it was with female viera.
    They are literally using the Hyur midlander hempen set, which tells me they are using the midlander's body..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsumdere View Post
    Female Viera are almost identical in body shape and size to female Elezen, obviously body base that would make the most sense would be male Elezen.
    I very much agree with this. In my opinion, it does make sense to use male elezen as a base for male viera, and I think if male viera are added, this will most likely be the base the devs use. Of course, the proportions will be modified, just like it was with female viera.

    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    They are literally using the Hyur midlander hempen set, which tells me they are using the midlander's body..
    Looks like a modified elezen base to me.
    I'm sure most of the races started with a hyur base at first, but then were modified. Now they are no longer hyur models.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsumdere View Post
    It's just something there to point out that more than likely since female Viera were very clearly a variation of female Elezen with a larger head, male Viera might mirror it by being a male Elezen with a larger head. I think it would fit both the female counter parts and make sense with their lifestyle.
    Also in agreement with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    It's arguing semantics at this point. They might not even modify it they might just do the same thing as females and just adjust the muscle slider (tone) default.
    It's clear, at least to me, that female viera look quite similar to female elezen, but with adjusted proportions. I believe male viera will also look similar to male elezen, but with adjusted proportions. It's not unreasonable to assume they would use an elezen base and modify that.

    "If we did create a male design for the Viera, he would be quite elegant, handsome, and slim. He would look more like the Elezen race, but with bunny ears."
    https://www.usgamer.net/articles/fin...r-trust-system
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    They use the same model but here's the thing, it's modified. They do look different. Viera have wider hips, are slimmer, their heads match the proportion of their body. In different lighting, and even here, you can see more muscle definition of Viera. Also, for that matter if you are trying to tell me they all use the same "identical" model why did you specifically name Elezen? Elezen have less curves, they look like a cardboard box. When you actually see them in game next to your viera, you can easily spot all the differences. Yes, head size makes a big impact on how they are perceived, and Elezen have tiny heads.

    For that matter you can spot the differences in all of the female races. Midlander is a bit more slim than miqo'te, au ra are very petite much smaller than either, elezen are cardboard boxes, roe are much wider and broad in stature, highlander actually use the same body as miqo'te but they have a muscle slider.. Even if they all used the exact same model their idle poses, and animations would make them look distinctively different.
    I said all females use the same base model. So Base -> Elezen -> Viera. I also said female Viera are almost identical (read not identical to the T) to Elezen. Moreso than any other race in comparison to each other. Both Viera and Elezen have the same slopped shoulders and long arms. Their necks are also the same length but Viera has a larger head on top of it to make it look more proportional. And to top it off, stance has a lot to do with the perceived difference in body shape. Take a look in the benchmark (q-q servers down) to see what I mean. Not that this matters anyways cuz this isn't the female Viera thread and once again, super nit picky. XD

    It's just something there to point out that more than likely since female Viera were very clearly a variation of female Elezen with a larger head, male Viera might mirror it by being a male Elezen with a larger head. I think it would fit both the female counter parts and make sense with their lifestyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsumdere View Post
    I said all females use the same base model. So Base -> Elezen -> Viera. I also said female Viera are almost identical (read not identical to the T) to Elezen. Moreso than any other race in comparison to each other. Both Viera and Elezen have the same slopped shoulders and long arms. Their necks are also the same length but Viera has a larger head on top of it to make it look more proportional. And to top it off, stance has a lot to do with the perceived difference in body shape. Take a look in the benchmark (q-q servers down) to see what I mean. Not that this matters anyways cuz this isn't the female Viera thread and once again, super nit picky. XD

    It's just something there to point out that more than likely since female Viera were very clearly a variation of female Elezen with a larger head, male Viera might mirror it by being a male Elezen with a larger head. I think it would fit both the female counter parts and make sense with their lifestyle.
    You are wrong though. Viera are almost identical to midlander, the only difference is height, and that is just a slider. Height enlarges the same proportions. The differences between elezen and viera are much bigger than the differences between midlander and viera. I'd actually go as far as saying the body is identical to midlander (as in unmodified; muscle slider). Are we talking about size (height) or the actual build?

    Speaking of males, they would be using a modified midlander body NOT elezen, because elezen is literally the midlander body. It's arguing semantics at this point. They might not even modify it they might just do the same thing as females and just adjust the muscle slider (tone) default.

    Clarification: Using your example it would be more like this actually Base (midlander) -> Viera

    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    Viera,Elezen and Miqote are made From the midlander model

    they are similar but there is some clear differences that occur the way they are posed
    Thank you! Some reason here!

    Why would they even use the elezen (modified for elezen) as a base for viera like the poster is implying, when they can just use the midlander body and adjust it's height (which they did)? It's crazy I am even arguing this.
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    Viera,Elezen and Miqote are made From the midlander model

    they are similar but there is some clear differences that occur the way they are posed
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    +1 to male viera, I want my bunny boy, and the fake ears from MGS are not the same!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget View Post
    I really, really wish you'd leave Beyonce alone and out of this already. The obsession with her is weird and there's NOTHING about the female Viera that even WHISPERS "Beyonce" to me.
    To you, everyone is free to attribute things t o whatever they want, and tbh I think its just u salty about me myself and wanna use whatever u want to go against my opinion like you've done since u started this thread. Oh god forbid I associate female viera with Beyonce, who looks like them physically, acts like them, and has a similar style of clothing in her shows
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