How Bad Is Healer Damage Now?

[Maeka]

Everybody should always bring their chicken for solo.

I mean, it's free damage, even when I'm playing RDM, I notice I kill things faster with the Chicken than I do without the Chicken. So saying "Bring your chicken" is kind of redundant, because.. you should *always* bring your chicken regardless.

That, and dude, the XP at Lv70+ .... if your chocobo is Lv1 .... it'll be 10+ in just a few days of questing in ShB.

[Shurrikhan]

So I played WHM just a tiny bit at the end of Stormblood, and not even at max level. I enjoyed it quite a bit, and was wanting to go AST in Shadowbringers, but I heard that their damage is kind of crud, and while I do want to do group content obviously, I also plan on doing world content and soloing a bit. So what should I be anticipating in terms of that?

AST damage is crud more because its mitigative utility and reliable healing output is crud, allowing less space for dpsing -- at least compared to WHM, which is a beast. I mean, if you want to feel like a dungeon god, by all means, just go WHM.

[Alisi]

So I played WHM just a tiny bit at the end of Stormblood, and not even at max level. I enjoyed it quite a bit, and was wanting to go AST in Shadowbringers, but I heard that their damage is kind of crud, and while I do want to do group content obviously, I also plan on doing world content and soloing a bit. So what should I be anticipating in terms of that?

WHM has the best DPS, followed by SCH, then AST. AST has it really bad atm but WHM does really good. My WHM partner was pulling 4.5k DPS in Innocence and still did like 1k more HPS than my SCH did. /sigh Meanwhile, the ASTs I've partnered with do a lot less in both. All three can DPS but WHM has the big dish DPS atm. They'll eventually get nerfed and AST will get buffs tho. That's how these things go.

[Alrin]

Just finished Shadowbringers MSQ with WHM and it was fine. I sometimes tried AST along the line to see how it goes and WHM felt much better. I saved few lives with heals when joining FATEs and also dealt noticable damage

SCH was best healer for solo before Shadowbringers but the class kinda forgot its spells so it is not anymore

[Gemina]

In terms of raw potency, it isn't much different than it's ever been. What's changed is the amount of skills that deliver those potencies, especially in the case of SCH. If talking about healer DPS in the context of how engaging it is, then healer DPS was never all that great even before ShB.

Those who loved pre-ShB SCH will undoubtedly feel the change to their DPS rotation, but those who preferred to play WHM and/or AST really don't have anything to complain about when it comes to just DPS skills. They didn't lose anything. WHM did lose Aero 3 but gained Misery. I should backup a little bit because WHM is apparently dominating the healer DPS charts, but I personally don't know a whole lot about this. Either way, if you're used to killing stuff as a WHM or AST, then you have very little to worry about.

However, if you loved DPSing as a SCH then you're going to be in a tough spot. Not because their DPS has been heavily nerfed but rather the pruning has stripped SCH down to a shell of what it used to be. Like others have said; it's extremely boring now. It's actually worse than WHM and AST. At least they still have Assize and Earthly Star. SCH doesn't have their own version of this AoE ability, or anything to compensate for the absence.

[Alphras]

The damage values didn't change a lot. It only moved to one or two buttons now.

[Sylve]

WHM has the best DPS, followed by SCH, then AST. AST has it really bad atm but WHM does really good. My WHM partner was pulling 4.5k DPS in Innocence and still did like 1k more HPS than my SCH did. /sigh Meanwhile, the ASTs I've partnered with do a lot less in both. All three can DPS but WHM has the big dish DPS atm. They'll eventually get nerfed and AST will get buffs tho. That's how these things go.

Don't look only at HPS. Look at their overheal. Every WHM I've partnered with in Trials so far has had an overheal of 50+%. Its not hard to get ridiculous HPS when they're spamming Medica II just to keep the HoT on everyone.

The biggest problem with looking at Healer dps figures in online logs is that everyone who uploads the logs designates one healer to spam DPS and leave the majority of the heavy lifting to the other one.
I can beat the Titania EX SSS Dummy with spare time as a SCH, it's dps is clearly fine.

In the figures listed above, The WHM and AST are around 1600~ dps apart in both the highest and lowest percentiles. If the ASTs cards and Divinations provide 1600~ raid dps (200 per player) then their contributions are equal. Given that Chain is a dps boost of 200 for my own SCH while active, then it would seem that the healers are in fact, balanced in terms of contribution.

Since the only change SE deemed necessary in the leadup to Eden was to reduce our AoE MP costs to match WHM, they obviously don't see any major issues with us yet.
SE balances healers on equal contributions from both in a raid, not the player mentality of dumping the work on a co-healer so they can go full green dps.

[Nethereal]

So at 2.6K dps, damage output is actually less than SB?

Just to add onto this, above average healer dps on stormblood was 2.6k I think 70-80% was 3k+(?) and then it was like 3.5k on the top end. Where average healer dps in shadowbringers is 3.5k and average whm dps is 4k-4.6k with anything over 5k being above average. As far as I can tell right now.

[Urthdigger]

Don't look only at HPS. Look at their overheal. Every WHM I've partnered with in Trials so far has had an overheal of 50+%. Its not hard to get ridiculous HPS when they're spamming Medica II just to keep the HoT on everyone.

On a related note, I've been running stuff on SCH and it drives me up the wall how much people ignore Excog. It's like, yeah, of course I'm getting less HPS, I'm letting autos take them down to 50% where Excog can fire instead of tossing stuff the moment they hit 80%. Then the duration wears off with the tank at 90% and I scream inside.

[Yuyuka3]

If you played WHM before, tC, why switch to AST? WHM is objectively better than in ShB (based purely on DPS since nothing else changed much), so no need to switch.

@kuurei
I hope you confused HPS and DPS since those DPS numbers there... but that cannot be since then you would literally top DPS charts. This numbers are... very sad. So much overheal...

@Sylve
According to a friend, both my SCH partner and I were in the 81%u0025 last night on Titania in a horrid group, so no, not everyone does that... also, my overheal is at 32% and mostly from burning Lilies between phases and Assize.