How tanking feels post ShB patch

[Valmarus]

Because you're playing a video game, and video games operate within boundaries defined by their developers. And they have decided, likely based on community feedback and their own internal data, that hate management needed to go. So it is gone. It's not about what came first or how it was in the beginning. If you want a game that has that, go play one.

Your logic is still flawed. You're saying that the people who liked it initially as it was shouldn't provide feedback saying how they feel it was a mistake to take that away and make tanking feel bad yet you're saying the reason it was changed is because people who were too lazy to play the job as it was didn't like the way it was so complained until it got changed so the people who liked how it was should just accept that even though the changes were made on feedback made by people who didn't like the way the job was so they complained and got it changed to a form that some people don't like and they shouldn't give feedback on why this is bad because the decision was made on feedback.... see where I'm going with this?

[Bobzitto]

Your logic is still flawed. You're saying that the people who liked it initially as it was shouldn't provide feedback saying how they feel it was a mistake to take that away and make tanking feel bad yet you're saying the reason it was changed is because people who were too lazy to play the job as it was didn't like the way it was so complained until it got changed so the people who liked how it was should just accept that even though the changes were made on feedback made by people who didn't like the way the job was so they complained and got it changed to a form that some people don't like and they shouldn't give feedback on why this is bad because the decision was made on feedback.... see where I'm going with this?

You sure put a lot of words in my mouth there. I like how the other side is "complaining" while you are "providing feedback". You can complain all you want. Like the people pre-5.0 did, I assume (wasn't here, wouldn't know). The truth of the matter is that we don't know how much feedback is taken into account by SE when they make their decisions. If they made this change mainly for balance and streamlining reasons, I doubt you'll see it reversed. If they did it for feedback reasons, then I HIGHLY doubt you'll see it changed.

[Valmarus]

You sure put a lot of words in my mouth there. I like how the other side is "complaining" while you are "providing feedback". You can complain all you want. Like the people pre-5.0 did, I assume (wasn't here, wouldn't know). The truth of the matter is that we don't know how much feedback is taken into account by SE when they make their decisions. If they made this change mainly for balance and streamlining reasons, I doubt you'll see it reversed. If they did it for feedback reasons, then I HIGHLY doubt you'll see it changed.

I don't mean to but words in your mouth but that's how it's sounding when you say "adapt or die" but are also saying "people didn't like the way it was and said so so they changed it".

A complaint is feedback, i was not really intending on trying to paint a distinction; and it is likely the majority of the feedback you're going to get because the people who like what you're doing are rarely going to coem back and say "good job" because you're supposed to be making a product they like in the first place. Positive feedback only really comes when you do something particularly ground breakingly good in the eyes of that person. It actually means that unless you're running a proper control group feedback can never really be trusted, which is why you often find developers not acting on it because it isn't necessarily representative. The people who don't find a problem with it aren't going to post "everything is fine" and are going to be enjoying the actual product itself.

[Bobzitto]

Which is why most game devs tend to take feedback of a bunch of salt. And also why I believe the change was done mostly due to streamlining and balance reasons.