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  1. #8291
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugear_bahamut View Post
    No this is the match. Rikiishi needed to lighten his weight to be able to compete with Joe.
    And that video isn't a good reference. I am certain that a manga artist would better project his image of a character when he actually has full control.
    Live action is less...controllable.
    Yeah, and I'm showing the video that shows the proper muscle development. While the manga artist is good, there is zero muscle development and that image for lack of a better word is unflattering - which makes sense for him to be after such a battle. However the lack of muscle shown in the manga doesn't make sense for a boxer who needs such strength in order to compete - but works for the manga style which isn't all that realistic in the first place. Matsuno commissioned - where the artist also has full control - an image that is the likeness of him during the workout scene. However, in the picture drawn for the commission that male is more 'toned' than the original manga. Unless you believe that the commissioned art piece is incorrect, mind you? But I don't think any of us are on that line of thinking. The image commissioned piece works very well - the only objections I saw people had was the height, which is still an unknown variable. Of course, I'm referencing this image here: Created by Minafuma Twitter Link



    P.S Didn't Rikiishi die from a mixture of his injuries and the fact he was severely underweight + the extremes he went to? Makes you think, the males must be very underweight and have to constantly hunt and eat. The males must have one heck of an endurance.
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  2. #8292
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    Here we go again.
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  3. #8293
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    Yeah, and I'm showing the video that shows the proper muscle development. While the manga artist is good, there is zero muscle development and that image for lack of a better word is unflattering and shows zero muscle development, which doesn't make sense for a boxer who needs such strength in order to compete. They are strength trainers. This is why Matsuno commissioned - where the artist also has full control - an image that is the likeness of him during the workout scene. However, in the picture drawn for the commission that male is more 'toned' than the original manga. Unless you believe that the commissioned art piece is incorrect, mind you? But I don't think any of us are on that line of thinking. The image commissioned piece works very well - the only objections I saw people had was the height, which is still an unknown variable.Of course, I'm referencing this image here: Created by Minafuma Twitter Link

    Okay, I'm gonna leave it here. I'm not speaking on behalf of Matsuno. It's close enough I guess.
    As far as my familiarity with Japanese culture goes, reaction to perfect projection would go along the lines of "That's perfect! Thank you!",
    but the only reaction we got was "GJ!" which means good job, but I don't feel much enthusiasm from it. I'll just agree to disagree on this matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    P.S Didn't Rikiishi die from a mixture of his injuries and the fact he was severely underweight + the extremes he went to? Makes you think, the males must be very underweight and have to constantly hunt and eat. The males must have one heck of an endurance.
    Yes, he did. Height to weight ratio is a big problem. Asians are pretty healthy and active with this being the regular body-type.
    Joe didn't need to go to such extremes as Rikiishi did because he was more compact. Rikiishi refused to take vital nutrients just to be light enough.
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    Last edited by Mugear_bahamut; 07-15-2019 at 09:30 PM.

  4. #8294
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    Not a problem, Mugear - if Male Viera does come about we might be lucky enough to at least see some concept art they have been pushing back and forth. Isn't that what they usually do? Or perhaps they'll keep it a secret. I personally wouldn't mind being kept in the loop, but the surprise might be something to go for.
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  5. #8295
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    Not a problem, Mugear - if Male Viera does come about we might be lucky enough to at least see some concept art they have been pushing back and forth. Isn't that what they usually do? Or perhaps they'll keep it a secret. I personally wouldn't mind being kept in the loop, but the surprise might be something to go for.
    Yeah, I'm really just waiting for some concept art because text-based in-game hints are mostly vague. Just to end this charade really.
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  6. #8296
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    Yeah, unfortunately, who knows how long this could go on. For now, I'm fine with my midlander, which is still small given the heights of Eorzea, but I can make do. I could survive with male Viera being between Midlander and Highlander height in scale, though I know others wish for them to be taller.

    I rather like Midlanders physique as well, which to me isn't all that 'muscular' compared to their highlander counterparts. I just really appreciate the toned slider.
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    Last edited by Gwenorai; 07-15-2019 at 10:02 PM.

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    Would be nice to look up occasionally. Only other race that is taller then my boi is female roe
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    “We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.”

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    The lady versions are so exquisite, hell yes we could use some male versions sporting these fabulous graphics. Lady Hrothgar too.
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    The gender locked races almost made me nope out of this expansion(I'm glad I didn't). I doubt I would change from my cute lil potato for ANY race but I don't like options being limited for others. I hope they do the right thing and add both male Viera and female Hrothgar later down the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    P.S Didn't Rikiishi die from a mixture of his injuries and the fact he was severely underweight + the extremes he went to? Makes you think, the males must be very underweight and have to constantly hunt and eat. The males must have one heck of an endurance.
    Just for clarification(as I'm a pretty huge fan of Ashita no joe and boxing in genral), what killed Rikishi wasn't being at the weight he was at, but specifically it was the methods he went through to lose that weight. He basically killed himself doing so, think of it as someone who does a full dry fast without seeing a physician or taking vitamins. He needed to drop the three weight classes as quickly as possible to prepare for his match with Joe something that would kill any boxer to do, it's twice as difficult to go down in weight classes because of the amount of muscle loss that can happen in the process of it if your training regimen isn't perfect. Which Rishiiki's was not.

    That being said here's an example of a Bantamweight fighter from another series and what I think more resembles the 0% fat physique.



    Source: Genji Kumogawa, Hajime no Ippo.

    and another.



    Source: Nekota Ginpachi, Hajime no Ippo.
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    Last edited by Mylionare; 07-15-2019 at 11:26 PM.

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