NIN is undertuned.

[Atticus1236]

I completely agree with this thread, I'm a NIN main and the sheer amount of difference between our personal dps and every other class (let alone every other melee class) is way too big, despite us having trick attack. The reward for playing this relatively complex job in terms of personal dps is too low at the moment and is disheartening to play. Definitely needs some revision. Over to you SE

[Vendalwind]

An additional note. No class suffers from high ping like the NIN does. A lot of aggegate data comes from japan, but please remember that japanese players pretty much always have solid ping.

Im not saying balance to the weakest ping, but do consider it in design choices.

[Typhoria]

What I don't get is why didn't they have Armor Crush follow Shadow Fang in the combo sequence. Just this change alone would be a huge boon for Ninja.

[Telefrag]

What I don't get is why didn't they have Armor Crush follow Shadow Fang in the combo sequence. Just this change alone would be a huge boon for Ninja.

First of ALL, why would this ever be in the works. Going down to 2 steps for Shadowfang upkeep was a blessing in itself. The point of ARMOR CRUSH and Aoelian Edge being seperated is because there's a decision to be made. The same reason you go for Shadowfang after Spinning Edge. This is not a design flaw.

[Ilyn]

I think most of you are relying on Bunshin too much , for the most part last level abilities rarely add much to the table . Now casting TA > TCJ/HR that's the money maker right there and I can convert TCJ's suiton to meisui after ... good times . I find bunshin more fun in my aoe rotation , double hits from death blossom and HM with Doton up and hellfrog raining down is a sight to behold haha

[Ryaz]

I haven't played Ninja, but all indicators point to Ninja and Dancer being a bit undertuned and blm maybe a bit overtuned.

[Laur1x]

I haven't played Ninja, but all indicators point to Ninja and Dancer being a bit underfunded and blm maybe a bit overtuned.

Yeah, I agree. I'm curious if they're going to tune down BLM, or just bring SAM up to its numbers and let them be wayyyy ahead of everyone.

Either way just want some NIN love.

[ForteNightshade]

Unfortunately, I do not foresee any significant Ninja buffs. The devs seem very apprehensive towards raid utility right now and unless Trick Attack gets nerfed, I just cannot see them doing more than a mild buff to Bunshin. If they brought Ninja up by 500-800 DPS, it instantly becomes the best melee again. At this point, the clear linchpin is Trick. And it's why I'm leaning more towards that being nerfed and Ninja compensated accordingly. Conversely, I would also rather they focus on reducing the clipping and somewhat awkward implementation of Ninja's rotation. Meisui is a huge trap given how it's only a gain in select situations; Mudras clipping is a serious problem and Bunshin, well... it's underwhelming to say nothing else.

It's hard to say what direction they'll go, really.

[Laur1x]

Unfortunately, I do not foresee any significant Ninja buffs. The devs seem very apprehensive towards raid utility right now and unless Trick Attack gets nerfed, I just cannot see them doing more than a mild buff to Bunshin. If they brought Ninja up by 500-800 DPS, it instantly becomes the best melee again. At this point, the clear linchpin is Trick. And it's why I'm leaning more towards that being nerfed and Ninja compensated accordingly. Conversely, I would also rather they focus on reducing the clipping and somewhat awkward implementation of Ninja's rotation. Meisui is a huge trap given how it's only a gain in select situations; Mudras clipping is a serious problem and Bunshin, well... it's underwhelming to say nothing else.

It's hard to say what direction they'll go, really.

I've said it in other threads as well, but I'd be fine if they nerfed TA hard, we've been held back by this ability for far too long.

I think the most logical changes would be something like this:

-Slight buff to our 1-2-3 AE combo to compensate for dripping blade loss (AE was actually nerfed in overall potency from SB).
-Removing TA raid utility, but increasing the damage it does to NIN only, or alternatively, nerfing it to 5% for raid/15% for NIN.
-Changing Hyosho Ranryu to work off Fuma instead of Hyoton.
-Bunshin rework and/or buff.

This still doesn't entirely fix the problem with using Raiton > Fuma and the clipping it causes, but there isn't much they could do there other than buffing Raiton so hard it makes the clipping worth it, or returning dripping blades in some form so we go back to Fuma. Either way, I'm more frustrated with trying to fit x2 Kassatsu/x2 Hyosho in our TA windows, and Bunshin being the biggest let down of a lifetime.

[Gun-Cat]

I'd be fine with them reducing TA to 5% in 8 man content and leave it at 10% in anything else. The biggest offender for me is TCJ though. I don't feel good when using it, I dread having to use it because it is so restrictive, it actually feels as if I as a fast melee class am rooted longer than any BLM casting these days. Just make it a 10 seconds buff that will empower your next 3 step Mudra and make it that all steps get casted at the same time. So if we go for a Suiton the beefed up version of Fuma, Raiton and Suiton get executed at the same time. Would make for a great visual effect and make the whole thing a feelgood experience with all those big numbers popping up. That'd be such an insane QoL improvement in the same vein as PLD no longer having to cast their spells.

Also, the 2 step Mudras are awkward. This is not only a problem for people with higher latencies, reading through the JP NIN thread a lot of people are complaining about how the bites into the GCD are too severe.