Pulling the bosses In dungeons as DPS a thing now?

[Mavrias]

Voke now puts you at the top plus like 300k emnity. Gaining and holding threat is trivial now as a tank. If you're letting dps tank bosses, the issue is literally only with your own pride. It literally does not matter.

You shouldnt be doing any countdowns in dungeons, its a waste of everyones time and youre just letting your teammates buffs tick down unnecessarily.

While the DRG should not have been pulling, nothing they did actively harmed the run. Letting them die and then being snarky about it slows everything down to a crawl.

[Intellion]

Actually nice to see people starting to kick tanks who think like that. Like already stated, self entitlement at its finest!

Oh, and DPS have an easy ride? Are you kidding? Tanking now is by far the easiest and most mind-numbing role of them all in a Dungeon. If anything, YOU should be thanking the DPS for burning things down quickly for you, while all you have to do is press one button for aggro and one button for CDs. SMH.

As someone who mained a BRD for four years before recently switching mains to DRK, and actually using those four years to properly learn DPS gameplay and even clearing a lot of high-end content, all I can say is this.


This kind of thinking is DPS Arrogance in its finest.


Our job as a DPS is to support the tank and healer by burning down enemies ASAP.
While I agree that DPS pulling bosses is only a minor inconvenience, when DPS start behaving arrogantly and start pulling additional mobs that the tanks/healers don't want to deal with at the moment, then yeah, the tank/healer deserves to let that DPS die.


Why? Because that DPS is being full of himself/herself by thinking that they lead the party, when that job belongs to the tank. In other words, DPS that try to steal the tank's job ARE NOT playing their role properly... and in my opinion, deserves to be kicked more than an angry tank that just wants to do their job in peace.


So for any DPS with that kind of arrogance, heed my words as a fellow DPS:


Do your dang job and learn your place. In the end, tanks and healers have insta-queues; you do NOT.

[Awha]

As someone who mained a BRD for four years before recently switching mains to DRK, and actually using those four years to properly learn DPS gameplay and even clearing a lot of high-end content, all I can say is this.


This kind of thinking is DPS Arrogance in its finest.


Our job as a DPS is to support the tank and healer by burning down enemies ASAP.
While I agree that DPS pulling bosses is only a minor inconvenience, when DPS start behaving arrogantly and start pulling additional mobs that the tanks/healers don't want to deal with at the moment, then yeah, the tank/healer deserves to let that DPS die.


Why? Because that DPS is being full of himself/herself by thinking that they lead the party, when that job belongs to the tank. In other words, DPS that try to steal the tank's job ARE NOT playing their role properly... and in my opinion, deserves to be kicked more than an angry tank that just wants to do their job in peace.


So for any DPS with that kind of arrogance, heed my words as a fellow DPS:


Do your dang job and learn your place. In the end, tanks and healers have insta-queues; you do NOT.

As a mostly tank player I have an issue with this mindset, and I really do think SE needs to make it so people can switch jobs mid dungeon if someone leaves or is removed. It is a team effort, and sometimes being on a team means doing things that you may not be comfortable with be that small, large, slow or quick pulls.

As a player we can choose to leave, adapt or test the waters and see if the party agrees with our actions. Here is the issue tank and to a degree healers have a certain group bias towards their actions due to the queue times of the DPS and I understand this but I think dps should call entitled healer and tanks out by using the vote kick feature more. DPS are no less important and play an equal part in how smooth a run goes. I do hope in the future more dps come together being as they have the vote advantage and use it, sure your runs may take longer but by no means should dps sit back and let entitled roles treat them as children and say they have no say in what a group does.

[alilacia]

I'm very much a believer of "you pull it, you tank it."

I might be pulling less now while I'm learning the dungeons again and getting my gear in order, but I always keep a fast pace and only use ready check on the run into each boss. By the time I've reached the entrance everyone has said yes and I can keep running in. You want to run in before me and attack, I will step back out and instruct the healer to do the same. I will not encourage bad behaviour or tolerate it because I can get aggro back easily enough. Also: our queues are instant; dps are not.

[Conando]

I don’t see much of an issue if it’s for dungeon bosses. If they’re running ahead before a fight is done and facepulling more trash? You go right ahead and let them tank.

[Insertcoins]

I don't like pulling but as a DNC with Standard Step 2 stepped and ticking down sometimes I can't wait for you to CD for the boss. If it falls off I lose the damage AND the buff. Not good.

And if that tank u turns and you die will make you lose the buff and damage too. Just saying...

[Legion88]

I don't see any reason a tank has to wait before he pulls a boss in a dungeon.
You have plenty of CDs to use for "tank busters" and "high hitters".
Also most bosses have a so low requirement of healing it is mostly a MP reg phase for healers between mob pulls when they can burst with their AoE spells.
The only time i think a tank should stop moving along the dungeon is if he has gathered all mobs he wanted to pull and wants the enemies burned down* or the party reaches a mandatory gate.
Every time a tank stops moving along the dungeon it is a place of slaugther or he is watching a cutscene, if not, something went wrong.
*(Pullsize depends on a mixed comfortability of tank an healer)

[Samuraijake]

The tanks have the right to the pace of pulls due to the fact that tanks have to keep track of defensive cds which determine what or how much they can pull...this shouldnt be news to anyone and certainly not dps. DPS dont have to interact with mobs outside of spamming your rotations (god forbid most dps throw a stun out there just to help out) ... so its selfish when they decide to pull anything just so they dont lose their precious little dps buffs. Boss positioning is also a thing which is a duty held by a tank... so a dps pulling a boss in some odd direction instantly disrupts that.Its also rude if you've ever played any mmo ever i.e. huntards that aggro stuff we dont need.

[Miminming]

I have seen tank who stop and bow and ready check and count down in every boss, no just no...

If you didnt ask him to stop pulling when the first time he did you are the wrong ine here

Tank is just the same as other role they are not leader nor superior

Saying hou pull you tank is the same as saying you pull you kill

[Mavrias]

As someone who mained a BRD for four years before recently switching mains to DRK, and actually using those four years to properly learn DPS gameplay and even clearing a lot of high-end content, all I can say is this.


This kind of thinking is DPS Arrogance in its finest.


Our job as a DPS is to support the tank and healer by burning down enemies ASAP.
While I agree that DPS pulling bosses is only a minor inconvenience, when DPS start behaving arrogantly and start pulling additional mobs that the tanks/healers don't want to deal with at the moment, then yeah, the tank/healer deserves to let that DPS die.


Why? Because that DPS is being full of himself/herself by thinking that they lead the party, when that job belongs to the tank. In other words, DPS that try to steal the tank's job ARE NOT playing their role properly... and in my opinion, deserves to be kicked more than an angry tank that just wants to do their job in peace.


So for any DPS with that kind of arrogance, heed my words as a fellow DPS:


Do your dang job and learn your place. In the end, tanks and healers have insta-queues; you do NOT.

Newsflash: no role is the "party leader." Anyone who cant respect their team or their team's wishes deserves to be kicked regardless of role.

A tank who wants to do big pulls when the other 3 members want to do small pulls is going to get kicked, and vice versa wanting to do small pulls vs big pulls. If your group wants to pull bosses immediately nd you insist on wasting their time with pull countdowns in a dungeon, theyre going to ignore you at best and kick you at worst as OP learned.

As a tank main, its extremely disrespecrful to act like ypure god's gift to the party and refuse to try and listen to your partymates.