Pulling the bosses In dungeons as DPS a thing now?

[Shurrikhan]

"I may lose my stacks" - BOTD is on a 30-second basis and can literally be refreshed before losing your eyes (but you need a good ping), Anatman exists, Umbral Soul is great, SMN doesn't have much stack-y things etc etc.

I've still had a handful of times where I've had the tank move towards the boss as I'm ticking down to a few seconds, I refresh BotD, and then he doesn't pull... for more than another 17 seconds, at which point even ST couldn't save the stacks.

Its per 30, but only a 20 second duration, against which you need 4 GCDs before you can extend it (almost another 10 seconds) in single-target combat. It effectively gives you, therefore, just over 10 seconds.

[Tigore]

We're not getting anywhere berating each other like this. Every role's job is to support the party. Everyone should be working together to ensure the run goes smoothly.

I can understand some tanks taking it a bit slow at the start since they do have to gauge what the party can do if no one speaks. I have been in situations where my fellow damage dealer is single targeting on a pull of 10 enemies. It made me cry a little inside because the enemies were starting to become a burden to the tank and healer living too long. I also see big pulls becoming hindered because a DPS can't cool their jets with the first group being dragged. I can understand DoTting or using buff attacks to prep for the mega AoE as long as they watch their threat. But when the other DPS and I were indeed melting the group and letting the tank have aggro, the tank responded with a much bigger pull for us.

Sometimes a little kindness goes a long way. If one wants respect, they must offer the same gesture as well. If the tank could stand to pull faster and possibly with more enemies, the best advice I can give is to communicate with them. Passive aggressive pulls might serve to do the opposite since you might be telling the tank they can't drag the first group to the second anymore. As I said earlier, spreading out the enemies makes holding aggro way harder than it should be. Plus the DPS and Healer players with aggro obviously take more damage and burden the Healers. If the tank really is an entitled brat, then I won't argue with kicking them. DPS may have long queue times, but this is different with DPS already in the dungeon.

[Bright-Flower]

It's pretty rare for me to have a healer or dps pull a boss when I'm tanking. I mean, it's not that uncommon in like, Satasha or Totorak, but in high level stuff I almost never see it. Though it did happen to me once in arboretum hard, which particularly annoyed me because the ninja wasn't aoeing the whole dungeon. I didn't see a single katon or doton. And that was when we still had TP and I never saw his tp dipping low to suggest he was using death blossom either. Yet when we got to the last boss and stopped for 5 seconds to ask 'who wants to handle the mud pie' the ninja just ran right in and pulled.

Oh I'm sorry were you in a hurry? Maybe you shouldn't have been single targeting the whole dungeon then.

On occasion, I will get a dps that pulls enemies, but bosses is pretty rare. Though so is the former since more often than not I go for big pulls anyway.

[silentdevo]

In content that matters, you pull it, you tank it. I’m a old school player, tank sets the pace the others just follow

[DawnSolaria]

In content that matters, you pull it, you tank it. I’m a old school player, tank sets the pace the others just follow

Personally I let healer set the pace in ShB. There is a gap in healing output requirement in ShB dungeon, and I have no way to tell if a healer would be able handle it. If a healer pull one more pack, then I will start to pull wall to wall because I know (hope) they can do it.

On the other hand if dps pulls it I'll let the little turd die because they don't know a damn thing

[Naychan]

As a healer watching a dps pull the named and the tank didn't move, I would have backed out behind the line and grabbed my popcorn. But I seriously doubt I would have vote kicked anybody unless they were being a complete "insert your favorite derogatory word here". Overall I find this funny.

[whiskeybravo]

DPS pulling mobs is fine as long as they bring it to the group and don't kite it around like a jackass. As for bosses the only problem is sometimes the boss will be off center, but that's such a non-issue 99% of the time anyways. Basically boils down to fragile egos.

[Kabooa]

DPS pulling mobs is fine as long as they bring it to the group and don't kite it around like a jackass. As for bosses the only problem is sometimes the boss will be off center, but that's such a non-issue 99% of the time anyways. Basically boils down to fragile egos.

I'll fully admit I don't exactly practice the "always on 100% of the time" I'm preaching here. Most times in the 4mans I'll just do my thing and leave even if I'm screaming at the monitor, no matter which M&M color I signed up as.

[Leonus]

DPS pulling mobs is fine as long as they bring it to the group and don't kite it around like a jackass. As for bosses the only problem is sometimes the boss will be off center, but that's such a non-issue 99% of the time anyways. Basically boils down to fragile egos.

Exactly, kiting around mobs and not bringing them to me is the problem. Not DPS pulling themselves.

[Greyhawk]

For me, DPS pulling mobs is my big pet peeve. If you want to pull mobs, make a tank and go do it to your heart's content. Otherwise, stop being a d***.

The other peeve I have is competing tanks in raids. Don't provoke off the tank that's already tanking. I had a WAR do this in a Susano the other night with me, I sat with Grit on for at least 15 seconds while others watched the cutscene. The last minute, he goes tank mode and starts provoking and pulling off me after I had already pulled and been tanking the boss. D*** moves, so we end up battling for agro (at first I thought DPS ripped it off me). He got mad at me parrying the sword, like that was "his job". I ended up just tanking the mob even after he tried provoking off me, for whatever reason, he didn't keep agro and I took it over while he tried belittling me. He also ended up on the blacklist.

DPS will end up on that same list when they pull mobs like they are doing me some kind of favor, or just being stupid - either way, if they pull it, they tank it.

If they want me to pull more, I can do that, no problem. Don't just go and do it though, it's really disrespectful. What's wrong with just typing it out that you want to pull more mobs? I usually ask when we start, I don't assume it. If the healer wants smaller pulls, that's what they get. If the DPS pulls more, that's on them and I will deal with it after they are dead. If I get kicked, I really could care less, that's on the group to wait for someone. I have plenty to do in game such as craft, fish, mine, pick flowers, whatever. I have all the time in the world to do something while I wait around if I am in the queue after your own ego booted me for not fixing your stupid mistakes.