On Fey Blessing...

[SayuyuYuyu]

People just talk without understanding the greatness of Fey Blessing, that’s just sad like do some ppl even think about things before typing them in here xD

Care explain the "greatness" of Fey Blessing to me then, because from where I stand it's a waste of an oGCD slot and a waste of 400 healing potency that could have just gone to the Tank instead. The only good that Fey Blessing can do is massively outshined by other abilities that fill the exact same purpose of Fey Blessing, except they do it better and more often.
Or are you just going to vaguely talk down to others without ever saying anything meaningful at all?

Just saying: Dissipation is horrible for many reasons, that’s tremendous and pointless to use xD

Again, elaborate. If you're going to make a statement then feel free to explain it.

[Eloah]

Again, elaborate. If you're going to make a statement then feel free to explain it.

I know this wasn't a reply to my post, but its the only post I feel I can use to draw attention to what I am about to say, and why Dissipation is one of the worst skills in the game. Since there is a lot of back and forth.

First, I will say, them finally making the faerie respawning is a long over do fix, that had they fixed it to be like that back in HW, when the skill dropped, it might not have such a bad rap now. But it does.

As stated, prior to ShB, the main use for Dissipation was DPS. It slightly offset the negative, more on that in a sec. But since they removed our only Aetherflow DPS skill, its main selling point is the healing buff, since Aetherflow is it's own demon now.

Anyways, as indicated with the faerie gone about 1/3 of your skills are unusable, and the other 1/3 are unaffected by the healing buff. The Fey Gauge also doesnt charge if the faerie isn't out. This means only Physick, Adloquium, and Succor benefit from the buff. Additionally, and especially at level 80, the faerie is meant to play a greater role in your healing output, so removing her seems counter intuitive. Each new healing skill past 70 is a faerie skill.

Now, onto it's main horror point, pointed out by a YouTube video I watched. WHM's Temperance and AST's Neutral Sect, both offer a 20% healing increase too; so what skills do they lose... nothing, they just get the healing buff, and in addition a buff specific to them; WHM damage reduction and AST the use of both sects. But SCH loses half its kit, seems fair.

Now someone did "point out" abou the whole Nocturnal Field and Galvanize effects not stacking, he was very adamant that the buff is wasted on a Diurnal AST. Well guess what only Nocturnal Field and Galvanize cant stack. The other 2 shields produced from the other AST skills are called Nocturnal Balance and Nocturnal Intersection. So similar to Catalyze and Seraphic Veil, all of those shields stack together. So there is no drawback. I mean I guess you could say that the WHM and AST buff lasting 20s and Dissipation lasting 30s is a drawback. I mean we have to suffer with basically 1/3 of our kit for 10s more, how is that fair.

Hopefully, that gives some insight as to why Dissipation is one of the most hated skills in the game. It's the current One Ilm Punch.

[SayuyuYuyu]

I know this wasn't (...)

Gonna break this down. I don't want this to come across as snippy, but there's a lot I need to say.

As stated, prior to ShB, the main use for Dissipation was DPS.

This was because SCH's default 3 Aetherflows per 45 seconds was more than enough to heal the party before. No-one used it for healing because having to resummon the Fairy in the middle of combat was a strict DPS loss, a waste of mana, and was generally a pain in the ass. But also, SCH had access to Largesse back then which mean that they had a more frequent access to 20% stronger Spell healing so using Dissipation for that extra 20% wasn't really valuable.
But now since Aetherflow is on a strict 60 second cooldown, suddenly having more on demand Aetherflow stacks available is a much bigger deal. This is doubled by the fact that Sacred Soil is now an insanely useful healing and mitigation tool that you generally want to use alternating with Indom to heal raidwide damage.

Anyways, as indicated with the faerie gone about 1/3 of your skills are unusable

But consider this, all of the Fairy's abilities bar one are on lengthy cooldowns. Using them before Dissipating means that your Fairy will be back before they're off cooldown again. Efficient SCH healing has and always will be based on an opportunity cost hierarchy. Fairy abilities always get used first because they're mostly free, followed by the SCH's own Aetherflow abilities. If you're concerned that you wont be able to use your Fairy's abilities because you've Dissipated means you're likely not playing effectively.

and the other 1/3 are unaffected by the healing buff...This means only Physick, Adloquium, and Succor benefit from the buff.

But the two spells worth using Recitation with is affected by it is an incredibly high value spell. Squeezing the most out of your Recitation boosted Adlo. SCH doesn't EVER want to have to use GCD healing, but for the few times that you do then you absolutely want to get the most value out of it possible. I will admit that there is very little reason to ever actually use shields on SCH outside of Savage and Ultimate, since especially now SCH has access to the most powerful oGCD healing out of all the healers, but I digress...
And before anyone complains, Indom is not as useful as Adlo for Recitation. An Adlo boosted by Dissipation will have a 450 potency shield vs Indom's 400 potency. It's not a big difference, but it is a difference. Additionally mana is now a tighter resource than aetherflow.

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[SayuyuYuyu]

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The Fey Gauge also doesnt charge if the faerie isn't out.

This is a fallacy. You may not be gaining Fairy Gauge, but you're not losing it either. If two Scholars both used Aetherflow on cooldown, but one used Dissipation during a fight more than once, at the end of the fight they will have still had access to the exact same amount of Fairy Gauge resources.

Additionally, and especially at level 80, the faerie is meant to play a greater role in your healing output

This isn't an accurate statement either. Yes, the Fairy is in charge of a lot of the SCH's healing output, but all but one of the Fairy's abilities are on lengthy cooldowns that aren't going to be effected by a Dissipation window. This one ability is Embrace, which is looking weaker than ever. Having Embrace missing for 30 seconds is not that big a deal, particularly because the only time you will Dissipate is when you are about to throw out a lot of shields during massive raidwide damage - AKA the only time you can't be certain that the fairy isn't going to be healing her intended target, which is the main tank. Before, you could tell her to ignore others and keep healing the main tank, but they've removed that. So, as always, Healing the main tank efficiently is done through effective cooldown management, and not Dissipating when the only damage going out is auto attacks on the main tank is a part of effective cooldown management.

Each new healing skill past 70 is a faerie skill.

Yes, skills that are long cooldown that you can use before Dissipating (as mentioned). Also Recitation is a healing skill.

Now, onto it's main horror point, pointed out by a YouTube video I watched. WHM's Temperance and AST's Neutral Sect, both offer a 20% healing increase too; so what skills do they lose... nothing, they just get the healing buff, and in addition a buff specific to them; WHM damage reduction and AST the use of both sects. But SCH loses half its kit, seems fair.

WHM and AST did actually lose something. All healers lost Largesse, and WHM/AST were both given it back with pros and cons.
The pros are that AST gets access to both sects, and WHM gets 10% damage reduction for the party.
The cons are that Largesse was on a 90s cooldown, while its replacements are on a 120s cooldown.
Whataboutisms beside, it doesn't change the fact that this is now SCH's only way to increase the potency of their own shields. I can recall many scenarios during my raiding times where that 20% bonus shielding comes in very handy, where a few Embraces would not.


Again, I don't want to seem like I'm being nit picky or anything like that; but I don't want people to start thinking that Dissipation is useless. Dissipation is a powerful cooldown that can be used very effectively.

[Eloah]

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Ummm... where to start.

Okay first DPS. Dissipation came out in HW, so the Largesse argument holds no weight, sorry to say. When SB released SCHs were thrilled since they got a "free healing boost". It definitely became a DPS only skill then.

Regarding the faerie skills. Have you ever played MCH? Remember how MCH had this tiny window which encouraged you to spam/pop every skill imaginable. That's basically what you are describing. Plus if you "have" to use every faerie CD prior to using Dissipation, there are bigger issues going on.

In regards to the ability loss, and what is usable under the time frame. Regardless of personal feelings, SCH still loses 1/3 of its kit, and the other 1/3 is unaffected, the other healers dont have this issue. And barring AST who gained a few more oGCD heals, the other two have a greater array of skills to use with the buff. Plus neither has any lock out.

About the gauge and her use. The gauges are meant to have a greater impact on gameplay, and building them up to use skills over and over as needed is the goal. A goal, I might add,you are pointing out with your issue on Fey Blessing. If SCHs still had a DPS option for Aetherflow, I don't think the gauge loss would matter as much. But since building the gauge is harder now, it matters. As for the faerie's role, even if a majority of the heals provided by her are longer oGCD skills, the point is, besides for level lockouts, SCHs should lose part of their kit, period. One of the biggest issues being SCH has no spammable heals, mostly because the faerie is supposed to make up for that difference. But if you remove her what then?

As for the other buff skills the other healers get. The Largesse issue once again doesn't hold much weight. True all healers lost it, but all healers lost it. If anything's WHM should be more pissed since it was removed from their kit then given back to them. But the biggest thing is that the other 2 healers don't lose anything. Regardless of personal preference SCH still loses 1/3 of its skills and the other 1/3 is unaffected by the buff. Not to mention you could blow through your Aetherflow stacks in 3 seconds if things are, less than " ideal".

I'm not saying some people wont find a use for Dissipation, nor that it might not have its niche uses in certain situations. But the fact remains, SCH loses access to part of their kit while the other healers get two buffs for the price of one.now if the skill reduced MP cost, made Aetherflow skills usable without the stack, automatically reset Aetherflow, like the Tri-Disaster reset. Something to make the skill more noteworthy.

One other thing that doesnt help, and this is just bad on SE's part. When Excognition was implimented it sucked, and made no sense at all, but SE fixed it to it's current state, and now it's a great skill. Dissipation never got that that kind of "love". So it's had 4+ years of being a bad/awkward skill. They finally removed One Ilm Punch for a similar reason. My hope is a quick fix I can "suffer" with, for several skills really, but for a complete removal of Dissipation in 6.0 and an ability reshuffle. Getting the Fey Gauge earlier would be nice, and Seraph to align with Bahamut. Since gauges are becoming more important, I think SE is trying to retroactively place them in the 50-60 range.

[SayuyuYuyu]

Dissipation came out in HW, so the Largesse argument holds no weight(...)

I disagree, as you say it yourself. Dissipation became entirely a DPS tool when Largesse was introduced to SCH's toolset. Now that Largesse is gone, what does that make Dissipation?
The two core reasons you would never use Dissipation for healing in Stormblood was because:
1) You didn't need the healing boost since Largesse filled that roll.
2) Resummoning the fairy was always a DPS loss unless the boss had forced downtime.
But now that Largesse no longer fills the healing buff role and the fairy returns automatically... Dissipations usefulness has improved.

Regarding the faerie skills(...)

I never implied that SCH should spam/pop every Fairy skill imaginable just for the sake of it, but I did say that SCH healing priority was always using Fairy healing first. This means that, more often than not, you'd have your Fairy skills on cooldown anyway.

In regards to the ability loss(...)

1/3 of your kit (Aetherflow heals) doesn't need to benefit from the healing buff becauses Dissipation magically makes 1/3 of your kit useable again, the same kit that is normally only useable 3 times every 60 seconds can now be used 6 times in a 60 second period.
You only lose the other 1/3 of your kit(Fairy heals) if those buttons were available at that point in time in the first place - which through cooldown planning you can definitely ensure happens.

About the gauge and her use(...)

I don't disagree that the gauge is important, but using Dissipation has absolutely zero consequence regarding the Fae Gauge.
Dissipation provides you with Aetherflow stacks you wouldn't have otherwise had.
A SCH who does Dissipate will have access to the exact same amount of Aetherflow stacks as a SCH who doesn't.
You aren't losing Fae Gauge if you weren't going to gain them in the first place.

SCH has no spammable heals, mostly because the faerie is supposed to make up for that difference. But if you remove her what then?

As I've said before, Dissipating when the ONLY damage going out for the next 30 seconds is mostly auto attacks is a bad idea.
Dissipating before segments of lengthy, significant raidwide damage in order to boost your shields is a much better idea. A 20% healing boosted deployed Adlo provides more healing that is also more reliable than the fairy randomly casting Embrace on hurt party members.
This isn't a baseless claim either, I've done number calculations using in-game data to come to this conclusion. If you'd like I can post them.
And regarding spammable heals... if you've just Dissipated, you'll have access to three Lustrates. Lustrate is very spammable and will equate to more raw healing potency than 30 seconds of Embraces ever will.

As for the other buff skills the other healers get(...)

I understand the point you're trying to make with SCH having to lose abilities to benefit from their healing buff, but I don't think it's a bad thing.
It adds a tactical decision making to the job, and if you can fit Dissipation in to your fight's cooldown planning you can 100% benefit from it. Stronger shields under certain mechanics will be significantly better than random Embraces ever will.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having nuance and decision making added to a job's toolkit, especially after almost all of that got removed from SCH in the first place.

But the fact remains, SCH loses access to part of their kit while the other healers get two buffs for the price of one.

See, I don't take this as a problem.
SCH gets two buffs as well. 20% increased healing, and an entire stack of Aetherflow to spend on whatever. Keep in mind, if this Aetherflow is spent on healing - that healing will likely equate to more than 30 seconds of Embraces ever will, even if it's just spamming Lustrates on the tank.
That is the core point I am trying to make with this matter.
Dissipation is a tool that provides you with significantly stronger shielding, and gives further access to your highly useful Aetherflow tools.
In the right situations, which WILL present themselves as they have done in the past, will see Dissipation being a highly valuable tool.
Losing access to your Fairy sucks, but you can plan and prepare your cooldowns so that you will have a very solid window where you can Dissipate without missing any of your Fairy cooldowns. The only thing you'll miss is Embrace, which is not always useful healing (and part of the reasons why half of Seraph's tools are a bit iffy.)

To say that Dissipation is the One-Ilm-Punch of SCH is downright wrong, and outright overlooking a massive amount of healing potential and nuance.

The only problem I see with Dissipation is that SCH might not ever actually need that amount of Aetherflow, and having a utility that isn't healing to spend extra stacks on would work very well.
If I were to make a suggestion, something like:
Ruination - applies a debuff to a target that increases the damage received by Ruin II by 50 potency for 10-15s, on a somewhat shot cooldown.

[Eloah]

Snip.

Okay, let me try stating it this way, so as not to have a total back and forth.

This thread is about your reservations on Fey Blessing, and how you feel it's not a good skill, and has little to no purpose, so you'd like some kind of fix for it. Well those emotions you are feeling for Fey Blessing are exactly how other people feel about Dissipation. There is one key difference however. Fey Blessing is new, and could potentially be fixed to not "suck", basically get the Excog treatment. But to those people who dislike Dissipation, they've had that dislike for 4 years. And before it's mentioned, resummoning the faerie is not a "good thing" per se, since the resummoning was just a band-aid people wanted when the skill could still be used for DPS. Was it a decent change, yes, but because Aetherflow changed, it amounts to nothing.

Hopefully, that makes it easier to understand, and why I'm comparing it to One Ilm Punch.

[Deceptus]

2) Resummoning the fairy was always a DPS loss unless the boss had forced downtime.
But now that Largesse no longer fills the healing buff role and the fairy returns automatically... Dissipations usefulness has improved.

Dissipation was bad and always will be bad as long as only 4 scholar spells are affected by the buff you get from it. Everything else we have are abilities and aren't affected.

[RyuDragnier]

Dissipation was bad and always will be bad as long as only 4 scholar spells are affected by the buff you get from it. Everything else we have are abilities and aren't affected.

If you're using Dissipation to begin with, you're out of Aetherflow, meaning those spells are all you have, since you're probably about to run out of aetherflow again.

[JohnSeal]

Well it’s clear that Fey blessing is a great skillGDC ability almost as powerful as Indo.
Delayed effect because long animation make it possible to plan and to use it as a filler while dpsing.
Meaning: you can use two instant healing spell at high potency on the same aoe dmg by clipping twice (0:07 x 2 = 1.4 sec) instead than double weaving with R2. Well you can use it in tandem with other ogcd abilities.

The best way to use it when your fairy gauge is at 100 before to use aether pack or you have the last 10 fairy point of your aetherpack and you transmuted into an aoe heal.
Till now what have you been doing when you find yourself without Indo and need an instant heal? Use succor and clipping it with ET now you have Fey Blessing!

Btw Fey Blessing it’s so versatile and smooth to use, you know when you cast it and when it will heal.
Great help if the group is behind and you struggle to heal, a fey blessing will “bless “ you better than a succor

Dissipation is bad for concept first thing: All three healers got their own buff like Ast’s Neutral sect or Whm’s Temperance but only Sch’s dissipation has a “Cost”.
With dissipation you can’t use your fairy first of all!
Then second, for 30 sec the aetherflow you use doesn’t increase your fairy gauge. If you consume aetherflow during dissipation basically you loose 30 fairy point = 1200 heal pot total. That’s not convenient.
Also dissipation for 30 sec it’s useless simply because to get the best out of it you should cast 5 GCD heal in that time frame, that’s not likely to happen.

Hope this help !