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    On Fey Blessing...

    What on earth is this spell meant to be good for?

    The potency is so low that it's outshined by Whispering Dawn, Indom, and Sacred Soil - so why would I ever want to waste an oGCD slot on it.
    If you look at a certain other Fairy oGCD (WD) which has a 60 second cooldown, that heals for 840 potency - which is a landslide better than Fey Blessing's measly 350 potency.
    Since the cooldown is a whopping 60 seconds long, the low potency can't even be justified. If it were spammable then maybe...


    What I'd propose is a change to make it work like an AOE Fey Union in that you have to toggle it on.

    When you turn it on, every 3-5 seconds the Fairy sends out an AOE heal.
    Possibly reduce the radius somewhat so that people need to be stood closer to the Fairy, and maybe reduce the potency per heal, but I reckon that'd work much better than how it currently is.
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    Its selling points are mana conservation as it's a free AoE heal (only costs fairy meter), and it can work as a fallback AoE heal if you don't have a stack for indom (or it's on its long cooldown), or if you need to top off your Succor with a little more oomph while still prepping the shields.

    I didn't say they were good selling points, and I agree it feels really weak especially given the fairy's reduced potency-tax, but it can have its uses, especially since it uses meter and not aetherflow stacks. While you generally have to make it useful yourself, it's certainly easier to rationalize than our more problematic abilities like Dissipation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegoTechnic View Post
    Its selling points are mana conservation as it's a free AoE heal (only costs fairy meter), and it can work as a fallback AoE heal if you don't have a stack for indom (or it's on its long cooldown), or if you need to top off your Succor with a little more oomph while still prepping the shields.

    I didn't say they were good selling points, and I agree it feels really weak especially given the fairy's reduced potency-tax, but it can have its uses, especially since it uses meter and not aetherflow stacks. While you generally have to make it useful yourself, it's certainly easier to rationalize than our more problematic abilities like Dissipation.
    Even the selling points you've listed are barely good. I've yet to actually have mana problems on SCH due to how much healing I can now do with oGCDs.

    Also what's the problem with Dissipation?
    Using it before Recitation adds even more value to an ability that has heaps of value, and having 3 extra Aetherflow to spend on whatever you need is nice too. The cherry on top is that Fairys now resummon themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SayuyuYuyu View Post
    Even the selling points you've listed are barely good. I've yet to actually have mana problems on SCH due to how much healing I can now do with oGCDs.

    Also what's the problem with Dissipation?
    Using it before Recitation adds even more value to an ability that has heaps of value, and having 3 extra Aetherflow to spend on whatever you need is nice too. The cherry on top is that Fairys now resummon themselves.
    The problem with Dissipation is that it locks the fairy and all its abilities out for 30 seconds for a 20% buff to adloquium and succor, as the buff does not effect any ability that consumes Aetherflow stacks. Additionally the extra aetherflow stacks are largely superfluous because using them alongside the cooldowns of aetherflow abilities largely relegates two of them into additional lustrates, and energy drain no longer exists to afford a dump for them. Fairy meter, while not the most desired resource, is also not accumulated while the fairy is away even if you use the extra aether charges.

    Thus in practice using it to buff a crit shield before deploy is typically its primary purpose, because otherwise its benefit only shows if you're actually having to spam-GCD heal a tank with adlo and physick, and even then it's very situational for the 20% healing buff to prove better than having the fairy out to embrace, and not at all better if Seraph's cooldown is available. And that's largely it. There is always the potential to pop it in an "OH CRAP" moment where triple lustrate may give you a clinch super-save, because those moments happen, but those are its role, and the cost of using it remains awkward and annoying.

    That's not to say it isn't useful, because Dissipation was always great to have at the end of damage-AoE-spam phases like Brute Justice's fire spin, Omega's final phase, and Ultima's last charge attack. It's always been great for beefing up Succor at the tail end of a fight, but more often than not its primary use was additional energy drains, and with that gone, it's just become even more niche due to its weaknesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegoTechnic View Post
    The problem with Dissipation is that it locks the fairy and all its abilities out for 30 seconds for a 20% buff to adloquium and succor, as the buff does not effect any ability that consumes Aetherflow stacks. Additionally the extra aetherflow stacks are largely superfluous because using them alongside the cooldowns of aetherflow abilities largely relegates two of them into additional lustrates, and energy drain no longer exists to afford a dump for them. Fairy meter, while not the most desired resource, is also not accumulated while the fairy is away even if you use the extra aether charges.

    Thus in practice using it to buff a crit shield before deploy is typically its primary purpose, because otherwise its benefit only shows if you're actually having to spam-GCD heal a tank with adlo and physick, and even then it's very situational for the 20% healing buff to prove better than having the fairy out to embrace, and not at all better if Seraph's cooldown is available. And that's largely it. There is always the potential to pop it in an "OH CRAP" moment where triple lustrate may give you a clinch super-save, because those moments happen, but those are its role, and the cost of using it remains awkward and annoying.

    That's not to say it isn't useful, because Dissipation was always great to have at the end of damage-AoE-spam phases like Brute Justice's fire spin, Omega's final phase, and Ultima's last charge attack. It's always been great for beefing up Succor at the tail end of a fight, but more often than not its primary use was additional energy drains, and with that gone, it's just become even more niche due to its weaknesses.
    Dissipation just needs to not feel punishing to use. I'd suggest making Healing Spells generate Fairy Gauge while Dissipation is active. So we could use it to get AF stacks, boost GCD healing when required and then have a near full Gauge at the end of it to justify losing 10 casts of Embrace and access to WD,FI and FB, especially since the bonus AF stacks from Dissipation don't even benefit from the boost Dissipation provides AND locks us out of FG generation too...

    There are simply too many drawbacks to using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegoTechnic View Post
    The problem with Dissipation is (...)
    I can see what you mean - but I don't think it's quite as bad as made out to be on the pretext that as of right now, Embrace is a bit lacking.
    It's easy to supplement the Fairy's lack of healing during the Dissipation window by just dropping a Sacred Soil on the MT as well as the party after the raidwide damage goes out, and maybe Lustrate extra if necessary. Maybe even hold the Sacred Soil and let Whispering Dawn (which you should have used before Dissipating) keep the Tank's health in check.

    I'd say it's also worth noting that Dissipations actual biggest problem from before got fixed, in that the Fairy now resummons itself. Before you'd only ever want to Dissipate to gain Energy Drains if there was downtime available for you to resummon the Fairy, since doing so in the middle of uptime is lost DPS. Off the top of recent memory, O11S had two windows right at the start (before and during Level Checker) and UWU has one window during the transition phase of Garuda to Ifrit, and during the transition from Titan to Ultima.
    Before, with proper cooldown planning it was perfectly safe to Dissipate your fairy and not feel any healing consequence of it. Since value of Embraces has dropped in 5.0 amplifies this.

    Obviously you wouldn't Dissipate if you had a Seraph window coming up or an extended period of time where the only damage going out is tank auto attacks, but if you're ever going to throw out your Recitation then you're doing yourself a lot of favours by squeezing out every last drop from it that you can.
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    Last edited by SayuyuYuyu; 07-13-2019 at 03:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SayuyuYuyu View Post
    I can see what you mean - but I don't think it's quite as bad as made out to be on the pretext that as of right now, Embrace is a bit lacking.
    It's easy to supplement the Fairy's lack of healing during the Dissipation window by just dropping a Sacred Soil on the MT as well as the party after the raidwide damage goes out, and maybe Lustrate extra if necessary. Maybe even hold the Sacred Soil and let Whispering Dawn (which you should have used before Dissipating) keep the Tank's health in check.

    I'd say it's also worth noting that Dissipations actual biggest problem from before got fixed, in that the Fairy now resummons itself. Before you'd only ever want to Dissipate to gain Energy Drains if there was downtime available for you to resummon the Fairy, since doing so in the middle of uptime is lost DPS. Off the top of recent memory, O11S had two windows right at the start (before and during Level Checker) and UWU has one window during the transition phase of Garuda to Ifrit, and during the transition from Titan to Ultima.
    Before, with proper cooldown planning it was perfectly safe to Dissipate your fairy and not feel any healing consequence of it. Since value of Embraces has dropped in 5.0 amplifies this.

    Obviously you wouldn't Dissipate if you had a Seraph window coming up or an extended period of time where the only damage going out is tank auto attacks, but if you're ever going to throw out your Recitation then you're doing yourself a lot of favours by squeezing out every last drop from it that you can.
    Right, but the issue is that I basically have to put everything on the Fairy, on cooldown, before using Dissipation in order to not lose the functionality of the Fairy itself.
    Right now, Embrace is critting pretty regularly for about 4500+, with an average hit of 3000.
    So basically, assuming we've made sure that everything the Fairy could do during that 30 seconds is used, we then have 30 seconds of Dissipation buffing Phsyic/Adlo by roughly the same amount as Embrace was doing anyway. Assuming we're dropping those heals on a Tank, Embrace would aim at the Tank in question too. So what we gain is minimal at best.

    I just don't understand why it needs to have so many built in restrictions and drawbacks for the minimal benefits it provides on the recast that it has.
    Especially when compared to Neutral Sect and Temperence, both of which are significantly more powerful, have zero drawbacks AND have lower cooldowns!


    I'd also like to point out that we lose Union during this time, which has an average 8500 tick that crits for 12k that we lose by Dissipating in an emergency rather than using Union and Adloqs to stabilise.
    Where NS and Temp reinforce the flavor of their respective jobs in their effects, Dissipation cuts out the one thing that makes Scholar a unique Healer.
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    Last edited by Sylve; 07-13-2019 at 04:40 AM.

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    I find it more useful than fey union most of the time. Not super useful, dont get me wrong, but that's still an AOE heal every minute for free.
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

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    It's actually garbage. I don't think it's worth ever clipping a Broil II for and should only ever be used if you have to move and use Ruin II. Nowhere else. It's really trash.
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    Its a supplement to Succor, in my opinion.
    I get good use out of it by following a Succor with it after a partywide hit. Succor -> Blessing -> let fairy hug people behind the shield. Everyones topped off before the next hit, which is mitigated by the previous Succor and then WD if there is a follow up AoE.

    Be nice if it had a lower cooldown, but I don't think its required.
    Only way they'd remove the cooldown is to make it cost like 30 FG.

    Or maybe im just weird and trust the Fairy to hug the right people. Its worked out for me so far though, lol.
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