Expectations are ruining this game

[RyuSaarva]

I cannot remember the last time someone got angry because somebody did not know the startegy in duty finder, unless you are not telling everything and you keep joining kill parties in party finder without knowing anything.

[Nedkel]

Sometimes i feel like discussions about in-game social interractions on forum are over-exaggerated to the mountains height levels.

I rarely if ever experience that stuff on my own, i am happy if people i play with are writing anything at all... It feels like playing on a lone island than anything.

[Vercinotrix]

Sort of reminds me of when right before SHB dropped I did an Orbonne with a friend and the rest of our party were completely new.

Didn't wipe at all until Orlando and some dude and his friend (assuming) from another alliance starting going off about "How there's no excuse for this." and "Go watch a youtube guide." Me and my friend + the group of new people made fun of him by calling him a casual guidewatcher until he and the other guy left.

Cleared it on next pull even though it was rough.


Moral of the story, make fun of people getting upset and they'll go be upset somewhere else.

[Nabiri]

Like I said, I understand the frustration. But I'm the kind of person who doesn't want to know ANYTHING before doing something. Even with raids. I don't want to know. If you can't handle new people not knowing, then you need to reevaluate yourself. Or like. Explain how it works before jumping in. The game literally tells you that there are new people when you start.

I find it fun to learn my way through things the first time as well.
But since many people do get upset, it's sometimes easier to make a 'learning party/blind party' in the party finder so you can go in with like-minded people willing to be patient and learn.

People do make more of a fuss for trials and raids than dungeons. So I'd recommend making a PF for trials and raids. (Also seems to be the fastest way to get people).

[Kaedan]

There shouldn't be any dungeons that have mechanics so complicated you can't complete them the first time running them blind.

Now, if you're counting Trials or raids as "dungeons", that's an entirely different story. If you want to do Extreme trials (and some hard mode in ARR) and you want to go in blind, then you should create a Party Finder and specify that it's a learning party that you're doing blind.

[Cemil]

I never, NEVER wiped more than twice in a dungeon in the last 4 years. Raid, sure its a mess first week, primal too sometime... But THAT bad... hell no.

Then you never ever run Brayflox normal with CureI CNJ .
I got this with Roulette a lot of times and i cant count the wipes on the Dragonboss.

[Nariel]

Then you never ever run Brayflox normal with CureI CNJ .
I got this with Roulette a lot of times and i cant count the wipes on the Dragonboss.

Oh I did it, quite a lot and with so many different player but it was back in 2013 when it first came out, barely had any wipe on it since 2.2 maybe 2.3 when gear was already enough to make it trivial.

[Fhaerron]

I don't really see the issue.
In Shadowbringers I tanked every single dungeon in a group first time and almost had zero vuln up stacks. Most of the mechanics are just common sense even though it was the first time for me.
There was only 1 case where I just left the group and that was in the third dungeon, there was this WHM constantly spamming Medica II and running out of MP (also never doing any effort to do DPS) and messing up every mechanic, even 'mechanics' you see in satasha (running out of AoE) and wiping numerous times. I just left that group after 6th wipe on the boss.

Also yesterday I got into the lvl 74 trial (avoiding the name for spoilers).
The first time I actually did that I noticed that when I got into the puddle I got fire resistant buff and the fists for the stack marker are fire so I put 2 and 2 together.

But yesterday everybody just didn't knew what to do, also only 3 people stacked up (outside the puddle too). I explained that 5 times and people still no stacking up and moving out the puddle.
Then multiple wipes on the ice ... That literally a 2.0 mechanic (About 6 years since we've got that). Ok everybody can make mistakes no problem with that but we've had like 7 wipes or something, I explained and explained but they would just keep wiping on it.
List goes on but you get my drift.

I refused to leave the party and thought our GCBTW can't be this bad. In the end at least everybody of the original party had left the group (even the people messing up). I spend +40 minutes on it and met numerous new people that got into the party and got met by more people who would keep wiping on very simple mechanics (even after being explained).

In the end managed to finish it with a group that also had a lot of people wiping. So not a single commendation, not a single thank you after I spend such a long time explaining pretty much every thing there is about that fight to numerous different people who have no clue how to play.

I'm done, I started 5.0 with a sliver of hope, jobs become much easier to play, maybe now DF people would start paying more attention to the fight and mechanics itself but they won't. People are downright rude, expecting carries and do not show any signs of actually trying to play together and do content the correct way.

After yesterday and more of this stuff happened earlier I'm no longer going to try and help, I will just leave and put people on blacklist. I'll stop trying to meet new people and help them do stuff (they are not even thankful anyway).

I'll stick to my static and FC.


Maybe 6.0 will be made easy enough so I can try and go with DF people again.

[Drez]

I can’t help but feel this isn’t the whole picture. Is this specifically 4 man dungeons? Raids? 8 man? 24 man? EX trials? Is it DR or party finder? Each one of these carries a different set of expectation.

As many have already stated, most are more than willing to run with players new to content. But if you wipe to the same fight a few times, be ready and willing to listen to advice and form a strategy.

If you get indignant over that, then yeah you’re the problem. Also considering how many people have said how rarely they come across toxic players raging over this issue. If you are frequently and specifically getting called out, it may have nothing to do with the fact that you’re new to the content.

Players are typically very very reluctant to call out tanks for anything. So if you’re getting called out as a tank, odds are it’s because the other player/s feel you’re messing up so badly that the run will end in failure.

That’s not always the case, some players are just jerks. But if you’re not willing to embrace the spirit of cooperation and listen to advice and strategy then you’re just being stubborn and are the one causing the problem.

[Renato]

I totally understand. I feel like newer players go through this all the time as I experienced this going into HW when it first came out and having to do the ARR stuff to get to that point. I also main tank and can agree that they can get some flack for not knowing the dungeons. They are often seen as the leader of the group since they literally set the pace of the dungeon. At times, I gave up tanking because I got tired of having the story spoiled by feeling the need to look up dungeon guides due to getting attitudes by asshole players.

After a while, I realized that tanking is my thing...I enjoy doing it regardless of the pressure that I and most players feel when first taking on the role. I got to the point where I would just run it blind and often times, you get the boss mechanics after 1 run or two. And if you don't ask your group. Often times, people are nice enough to explain the mechanics. Most of the time, in higher level dungeons at least, you literally just do large pulls and burn everything down. As a tank, remember your job is holding aggro over anything. Positioning enemies away from the rest of the party and using cooldowns are very important as well as doing damage to help burn enemies down quickly. If your doing those things, you'll rarley get called out as a tank. In lower level dungeons, just take it easy and go at your own pace. There will be people saying, "big pulls please" which can get annoying but I feel like that comes down to the healer and if they feel confident enough to do that. Usually, I just go for it and if we die during a large pull, I fall back to smaller ones.

Now, if you're counting Trials or raids as "dungeons", that's an entirely different story. If you want to do Extreme trials (and some hard mode in ARR) and you want to go in blind, then you should create a Party Finder and specify that it's a learning party that you're doing blind.

Trials are a different story. People still kind of expect you to know the fight and that does get really annoying. I normally just ask for any tips and what to look out for before the fight. It does suck though because you just want to play the game but at the same time you have people farming trials and are expecting/hoping for quick runs. If anything, I personally feel like it should be the other way around...make a party finder for an experienced group opposed to pushing new players to PF which a ot of the time takes forever for people to join. For Extreme Trials at least.

Honestly though, I haven't experienced too many bad apples. Just play at your own pace, play your favorite job/class and try to have fun.