If you thought the healer DPS debate would change with the change...

[Sebazy]

I don't know...

If you're having trouble meeting a DPS check, shouldn't you be looking at the DPS players first?

During progression that's not always possible. Gordias was probably best example of this with the turns being nigh impossible to clear without the tanks and healers pitching in quite a considerable amount of DPS ontop of what absolute world class DPS were already doing. Whilst Gordias is an extreme example that we probably won't see the likes of again, it still set the tone that early progression goes by.

[althenawhm]

I don't know...

If you're having trouble meeting a DPS check, shouldn't you be looking at the DPS players first?

Though, to be fair, there's not really any good way of telling how well the DPS players are playing by using the in game tools...

I'd say its easier to get the two healers to put out 2k dps each than the 4 dps to somehow squeeze out an additional 1k dps each.
Reaching 2k dps as a healer in the current EX fights is extremely easy and would still leave time to just stand around that some healers seem to love.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

DF and recruitment discords beg to differ. Healers are in short supply. (SCH/AST mostly)

I’m not complaining about it, i got to pick my static out of god knows how many that contacted me. Found a great match that most likely wouldn’t have been possible without this healer shitshow. And I have a buttload of materia from the roulette healer in need. I’m ready to pentameld up the wazoo.

Saying things are different in game is an exaggeration though.

>Static
>Seemingly Savage / Extreme

That's a minority, friend. Maybe people should clarify they mean hardcore content not roulettes.

[Saefinn]

Ultimately healers don’t want to be bored in their downtime. However, the changes don’t prevent healers DPSing, it just makes DPSing less effective and more boring.

What would have resolved this is putting something else in its place, like useful support skills that have mechanics they can weave into their downtime. People would do that over DPS if It was more worthwhile to do.

[Payadopa]

Next time I go in a dungeon, I'll pull wall to walk and proceed to not deal any damage. My job is to tank after all isn't it? Not deal damage, that's not my job.

What kind of logic is that?
Healers don't heal by hitting enemies,
but tanks gain enmity by hitting enemies.

Apples and oranges.

Also I'm very tired of dying because a healer just DPS'd.

SE should just make dungeons more involved for healers and nerv damage spells. Radical, yes, but at this point the devs should take a stance and hit this annoying 'mah DEEPS!!!' mindset out of the player base.

Was the same with STR and Tenacity and dealer's PIE. And still players can't take a hint, apparently. lol

[Naychan]

Also I'm very tired of dying because a healer just DPS'd.

You can always go play wow I hear healers dont dps there.

[Loki]

What kind of logic is that?
Healers don't heal by hitting enemies,
but tanks gain enmity by hitting enemies.

Apples and oranges.

Also I'm very tired of dying because a healer just DPS'd.

SE should just make dungeons more involved for healers and nerv damage spells. Radical, yes, but at this point the devs should take a stance and hit this annoying 'mah DEEPS!!!' mindset out of the player base.

Was the same with STR and Tenacity and dealer's PIE. And still players can't take a hint, apparently. lol

lol fortunatly we DPS sometimes when i can see how low is general DPS in most of teams during my daylies. I have none difficulty, most of the time to heal and dps aoe for helping them and gaining time cause my DPS teamates cannot use properly their skills.

Fortunatly it's not always the case but really often and i'm tired of "lazy dps" who don't dps even with some decent stuff and don't avoid aoes and never use the LB or at the end for 1% etc ! I'm at the point to prefer going to dungeons with NPCs, there is a trouble.

[Naychan]

To everybody that does not like healers DPS’ing simple fix don’t group with us. Find some healers that only heal put them on your friends list and always invite them. Bam that easy. Healers have always had the option to dps in ffxiv even if it might be dull that’s our option. As long as the game allows us we will play the class the way it’s enjoyable for us.

[EaMett]

>Static
>Seemingly Savage / Extreme

That's a minority, friend. Maybe people should clarify they mean hardcore content not roulettes.

"DF" it's right there, first line, first word. Not to mention that a good third of my post was about materia from roulettes lol.

[Saefinn]

What kind of logic is that?
Healers don't heal by hitting enemies,
but tanks gain enmity by hitting enemies.

Apples and oranges.

Also I'm very tired of dying because a healer just DPS'd.

SE should just make dungeons more involved for healers and nerv damage spells. Radical, yes, but at this point the devs should take a stance and hit this annoying 'mah DEEPS!!!' mindset out of the player base.

Was the same with STR and Tenacity and dealer's PIE. And still players can't take a hint, apparently. lol

More accurately, we will give you 1 single target DPs move, 1 dot and 1 AOE. You’re doing damage to build enmity still. 2.0 PLD got more and it was boring in 2.0 until the late levels, SE took note and gave it more to do.

Healers in FFXIV always DPS’d. They also DPS’d in XI. Healer-y jobs in any FF title with a job system has been able to do damage. There is always downtime and it is better to be doing something and something useful to the progression of the fight. This isn’t like other MMO’s like WoW where healers have less downtime to do other things

I don’t expect who are new to healing to be good at weaving DPS, normally when I’ve coached new healers, I’ve encouraged them to get used to healing first and progress in steps.

SE’s changes don’t actually prevent the healer DPS mentality, it just makes the experience less interesting.

Generally if your healer is prioritising DPSing over healing, then that is on them rather than the game’s design. Learn to heal well first, then learn to DPS on top. Why punish the healer community for a handful of people? Likewise, if people are having a terrible attitude on inexperienced healers, then that is on them. But I dont encounter either issue enough to arguably warrant the change, especially as...it doesn’t actually solve the problem they set out to do.

In a way, they’ve potentially worsened it, with some people talking of solo SCH heals and WHM DPS. As SCH heals so well and WHM has the best DPS of the healers.