Alot of hate on new job iterations o.O

[Gallus]

SAM - Apparently plays well but has mediocre numbers. People are generally happy but would like slightly better damage.

MNK - Good numbers but plays strange. People aren't very happy.

NIN - Average numbers but good raid contribution like always. Apparently complicated. I think people are generally pleased with it.

DRG - Very good numbers (possibly too good), flows well, good raid contribution. People are very happy with it.

BRD - Apparently plays well but a good chunk of people are displeased with most of the removal of their support kit. Mixed feelings here. Some are happy, some are not.

MCH - Plays well. Very straightforward from what I've heard. Good numbers. People are happy.

RDM - Plays well. Has a few mana issues though. Other than that people aren't complaining much about it. Hasn't changed much since SB. People are generally happy with it.

BLM - Extremely good numbers. Lots of QoL changes. Better mobility, downtimes aren't a problem anymore with this class. People are very happy with it.

DNC - No idea. All I've heard is that the class is easy and relatively fun. I'd say most are content with it.

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[ShadowNyx3]

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Yeah the sample size on that poll was definitely skewed towards newer or more casual Summoners. Look in most places and it's being eviscerated just as much as it's being praised, including the JP forums.

I also don't see a vote count so for all we know that's like 1000 people.

[SpeckledBurd]

Yeah the sample size on that poll was definitely skewed towards newer or more casual Summoners. Look in most places and it's being eviscerated just as much as it's being praised, including the JP forums.

I also don't see a vote count so for all we know that's like 1000 people.

Standard Statistics gripe here, but 1000 people is more than enough to build a bell curve with confidence. Once you've exceeded 30 pretty much every response you get will fall within that range and not go out beyond 3 standard deviations of the average.

Here's a link to the google docs with the results.

Here's a link to the actual survey results, it looks like it's still actually live and accepting responses and Summoner's satisfaction is dropping.

[Kabooa]

Standard Statistics gripe here, but 1000 people is more than enough to build a bell curve with confidence. Once you've exceeded 30 pretty much every response you get will fall within that range and not go out beyond 3 standard deviations of the average.

Here's a link to the google docs with the results.

Here's a link to the actual survey results, it looks like it's still actually live and accepting responses and Summoner's satisfaction is dropping.

Gotta love being orange in satisfaction.

[TimeraiderGaranyi]

Happens every expansion. People have to get their bad experiences out.
Doubt anyone goes to the forums purposefully to write about how much they like a class, while most people will make a post/thread about the bad parts

[Xieldras]

Happens every expansion. People have to get their bad experiences out.
Doubt anyone goes to the forums purposefully to write about how much they like a class, while most people will make a post/thread about the bad parts

Well, at least there's quite a few threads giving good feedback about what works and what doesn't. About what could work and what should be changed; Suggestions about short term changes and long term reworks. Getting those bad experiences out asap is also good for the devs, as it tells them what needs to be changed or fixed for the next patches (if possible. Some things like an AST rework would have to wait till next expac for example).

The way I see SE work is they depend on data to see if a piece of content is popular (you only have to check Diadem and Eureka) while also taking complaints and threads into account. I don't exactly know how their interpret said complaints, but I would wager they at least notice the parts that people mention most (which is valuable information as it tells you what gameplay part needs to change or improve).

Negativity will always get more attention than positivity that's for sure, but talking both good and bad just brings more balanced feedback that is easier to digest in general.

[KohakuTribal]

SAM - Apparently plays well but has mediocre numbers. People are generally happy but would like slightly better damage.

MNK - Good numbers but plays strange. People aren't very happy.

NIN - Average numbers but good raid contribution like always. Apparently complicated. I think people are generally pleased with it.

DRG - Very good numbers (possibly too good), flows well, good raid contribution. People are very happy with it.

BRD - Apparently plays well but a good chunk of people are displeased with most of the removal of their support kit. Mixed feelings here. Some are happy, some are not.

MCH - Plays well. Very straightforward from what I've heard. Good numbers. People are happy.

RDM - Plays well. Has a few mana issues though. Other than that people aren't complaining much about it. Hasn't changed much since SB. People are generally happy with it.

BLM - Extremely good numbers. Lots of QoL changes. Better mobility, downtimes aren't a problem anymore with this class. People are very happy with it.

DNC - No idea. All I've heard is that the class is easy and relatively fun. I'd say most are content with it.

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From what I've seen this is about right, though I dunno how to interpret the SMN gif.

MCH seem happy with the changes and DPS, but from what I've seen latency is still a big issue if not worse than before. A lot of oGCDs and clipping. I haven't played MCH in ages though.

RDM definitely has mana issues. Even using Lucid perfectly on CD, you have a good chance to run out of mana in a drawn out fight. Red Mage is no longer Rez Mage. I used to love picking people up and saving the Healers their Swiftcasts. But not anymore. I don't wanna sacrifice my DPS just to pick up that DPS who has died 3 times already. No I only rez healers. I think RDM being in the middle of that earlier graphic is pretty apt. "Meh." Like SE didn't mess up the class, but they didn't really add anything exciting either.

DNC is easy and fun, but people are pretty heated about where its DPS is at right now. Too little? Just right? HOW MUCH? WHO HAS THE MATH??!
I've played it to 80, and I think it could do with some adjustments. It's fun and fast when you hit your burst windows, but slow between them because resource generation is so RNG that you can spend the whole time trying to build Feathers and Esprit.

[Nerfworthy]

The only new job iteration I'm notably unhappy with is SCH, because in my eyes the funnest parts of the job were taken. That's just my opinion of course, not everyone will agree.

[LunarEmerald]

SAM - Apparently plays well but has mediocre numbers. People are generally happy but would like slightly better damage.

MNK - Good numbers but plays strange. People aren't very happy.

NIN - Average numbers but good raid contribution like always. Apparently complicated. I think people are generally pleased with it.

DRG - Very good numbers (possibly too good), flows well, good raid contribution. People are very happy with it.

BRD - Apparently plays well but a good chunk of people are displeased with most of the removal of their support kit. Mixed feelings here. Some are happy, some are not.

MCH - Plays well. Very straightforward from what I've heard. Good numbers. People are happy.

RDM - Plays well. Has a few mana issues though. Other than that people aren't complaining much about it. Hasn't changed much since SB. People are generally happy with it.

BLM - Extremely good numbers. Lots of QoL changes. Better mobility, downtimes aren't a problem anymore with this class. People are very happy with it.

DNC - No idea. All I've heard is that the class is easy and relatively fun. I'd say most are content with it.

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Not really sure where people get the idea that SAM has mediocre numbers. They're the second highest dps after black mage. There's a gap between every dps and samurai then another gap between samurai and black mage.

What SAMS are unhappy about is that black mage beats them at all. They want to be equal with it.

[ForteNightshade]

Not really sure where people get the idea that SAM has mediocre numbers. They're the second highest dps after black mage. There's a gap between every dps and samurai then another gap between samurai and black mage.

What SAMS are unhappy about is that black mage beats them at all. They want to be equal with it.

They have mediocre numbers relative to their competition. Samurai should be noticeably ahead of Monk and Dragoon yet once you factor in their utility (Brotherhood and Litany), Samurai just... isn't. They pull 400 above Dragoon at the 95% level and only 100 above Monk at every level. Considering the aforementioned utility likely bringing approximately 600+, they're just not dealing enough damage. Black Mage, meanwhile, is 1.5k above Summoner and Red Mage—which may actually be too wide a gap given Devotion and Embolden don't come close to closing that gap.