I think I miss TP

[linay]

And how do you make infinite spam with simplified classes more interesting? Maybe if the classes themselves were harder and more complicated to play, but as is they're not.

By having fights with interesting mechanics, not by adding limitation in a standard aoe rotation. You should get punished for making mistakes (like having to raise multiple times), not from trying to use abilities in their proper situations.

Considering you're a ninja, this concerns me a tad. I can already tell you didn't use all of your skills - like Goad.

Goad didn't have anything to do with personal TP, does it?

[wereotter]

Pressing 1 button to 'solve' the issue isnt exciting, nor is it much fun to know youre going to run out of TP and there is nothing you can do about it save go to single target DPS and gimp yourself or press that 1 button.

I feel like since the removal of TP this same thing could be said for caster DPS. Leveling up red mage I feel like it just has to be part of my rotation to press the on lucid dreaming button to keep up my damage rotation. It adds nothing to my ability to play except to punish summoners and red mages for dying in a way that black mages and physical classes are not.

I wouldn't be surprised if caster DPS classes next expansion also have MP requirements removed and a few skills, like Flare, reworked to reflect this change.

Goad didn't have anything to do with personal TP, does it?

You're correct. Goad could only be used on another party member, it couldn't be applied to yourself.

[Duskane]

honestly im Glad melee has Uncapped Aoe
its great just to Aoe without the worry of not having anthing to pull next lot of mobs as tank or just to revert back to single target as your tp slowly ticks 70 back up

plus Samurai and Drg aoe is alot more enjoyable now

[Bobo]

I like the removal of TP, now you can do your maximum dps while not worrying about it.

[Corue]

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Literally the only purpose it served was to gimp melee jobs out of AoE rotations for no reason. It regenerated so fast with single-target rotations that it was a complete non-issue.

[Nora_of_Mira]

This is probably an unpopular opinion because who doesn't like spam slash-and-hacking? But... I'm finding dungeons kind of boring. At first I was like "oooo, this must be why they removed TP so we can just slaughter all the things to our maximum capacity. >:3 " Right now I'm just finding it as a mindless aoe spam fest. All I'm doing - for the most part - is spamming two skills with the occasional support or DPS CD whenever they pop up. I think part of the fun of dungeoning was manageing TP and bouncing from aos to single targets while TP replenished. Also liked being able to support others with songs to regen TP and MP.

like it was mentioned in the other thread..."what TP management are you talking about?"

previously, it was just Use TP Until Its Gone, then Use TP once its back. Maybe its boring on Bard but as DRG I have my 1-2-3 aoe combo, while still weaving my Jumps/Mirage dives so I can get my Gier/Nastrond/Stardiver out (all aoes). At that point everything is liquefied and felt satisfying af.

[Noitems]

As a WAR player that loves using Overpower and a SAM player that loves using my aoe combos thank god it's gone.

[Vrankyl]

I feel like since the removal of TP this same thing could be said for caster DPS. Leveling up red mage I feel like it just has to be part of my rotation to press the on lucid dreaming button to keep up my damage rotation. It adds nothing to my ability to play except to punish summoners and red mages for dying in a way that black mages and physical classes are not.

I wouldn't be surprised if caster DPS classes next expansion also have MP requirements removed and a few skills, like Flare, reworked to reflect this change.

MP on abilities also keeps Summoners and Red Mages from chain raising everyone in the party while still being able to push out massive amounts of DPS. It's either DPS or save the Party, not both. You already pretty much want SMN and RDM over BLM for progression for their raises, do we really need to make that worse?

[wereotter]

MP on abilities also keeps Summoners and Red Mages from chain raising everyone in the party while still being able to push out massive amounts of DPS. It's either DPS or save the Party, not both. You already pretty much want SMN and RDM over BLM for progression for their raises, do we really need to make that worse?

That's why I said certain skills would be adjusted if this were the case. If raise on a DPS had a 7 minute cooldown like hallowed ground does, then maybe they can raise once in a fight, but that's it. I don't know exactly how these kinds of things would be resolved, but MP management for a job like red mage who has no MP management skills in its toolkit aside from lucid dreaming (which it has to use on cooldown just to have MP to do its DPS rotation) means that MP on those jobs is not entirely like TP was for DPS jobs was in Heavensward: a scarce resource that you have to keep pushing one button every 60 seconds in order to maintain that does nothing else for you.

[DevilsDontFly]

I certainly don't miss the "we don't have a BLM so no point on doing big pulls, let's do baby pulls instead because our MNK and DRG are TP thirsty and the tank is a WAR".