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    Aomine1992's Avatar
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    Daiki Sejuro
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by xDaemianx View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't think it's within an AST's identity to just throw cards all over the place purely to get the seals. It was within its identity to fit cards in specific situations, or even use them for a greater purpose (party-wide buff, more potency or longer duration). All that matters now is that we get the three different seals for our Lv50 spell. That's it: "My kingdom for a Lv50 spell", even 50, we're not even talking about our newly acquired spell. We're talking about something that did exist before and has been snatched. Now, I'm not saying it has to be like it used to be, all I'm saying is that AST has lost its uniqueness.
    I still disagree, People only used balance and spear that was not engaging, now you have to decide on the fly and plan on actually using stuff instead of just spread balance, spread spear and that’s it. But like you said this is about the kit because the uniqueness is still in tact
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    Haxaan's Avatar
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    Haxaan Shivar
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Aomine1992 View Post
    I still disagree, People only used balance and spear that was not engaging, now you have to decide on the fly and plan on actually using stuff instead of just spread balance, spread spear and that’s it. But like you said this is about the kit because the uniqueness is still in tact
    That is a pretty broad statement. Most ASTs I know did not just fish for balance or spear. Yes Balance was optimal and spear to a lesser extent, but most ASTs I know used what cards that came or strategized which cards to hold onto. I loved being able to stash a ewer or a bole for those "Oh Sh*t" moments. I LOVED throwing my BLM an Arrow. The most fun, and yes sometimes aggravating, part of the cards was that they were always different, you had to think on your feet and every run was a different experience because of it.
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    Crushnight's Avatar
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    Character
    Jets Down
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Collective Unconsciousness is in need of a major buff now, it is inferior to sacred soil in every way,
    -has longer cd
    -roots ast in place and no casting allowed
    -heals less
    It is baffling sacred soil buff got through while CU is left in this state

    Time Dialation felt needlessly removed and could have add a bit more complexity to the more linear card system

    Celestial Opposition is too weak for its cd and needs a buff

    Nocturnal is just no at this point 1k mp for a shield that disappears like a knife through butter on tanks.

    Sleeve draw and minor arcana were better in SB hands down though minor arcana could've remained the same, Sleeve draw had to have changed with this system so no real idea for that.

    Divination is boring, the goal of the new card system is boring, rather than trying to deal with what we got handed we have a very clear you want this only scenario no ifs, ands or buts, 3 different seals or don't bother because it is not worth the cd otherwise.

    Earthly star is still awesome ty for not breaking that

    Heals feel weak but not 3.0 levels thankfully (yet)

    I miss so much of HW/SB ast it was fun, yea it had dud cards (spire) but you could make use of them if you were skilled enough, the card system as in the actual moves draw,RR felt far less clunky than what we have now.

    Will say ty for making Gravity a lower level spell we really needed that a long time ago
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    Alathon's Avatar
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    Alathon Amroth
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    Malboro
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Aomine1992 View Post
    I still disagree, People only used balance and spear that was not engaging, now you have to decide on the fly and plan on actually using stuff instead of just spread balance, spread spear and that’s it. But like you said this is about the kit because the uniqueness is still in tact
    If you could refrain from lying, that would be great. There are posts immediately before your detailing how people used cards other than balance and spear. It was a small minority of tryhards and youtube copycats that played mathematically correct rather than convenient/fun.
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    Elamys's Avatar
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    Song Sparrow
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Alathon View Post
    If you could refrain from lying, that would be great. There are posts immediately before your detailing how people used cards other than balance and spear. It was a small minority of tryhards and youtube copycats that played mathematically correct rather than convenient/fun.
    If we want to go off my own personal experiences in this game then most ASTs didn't use cards at all. Remember the people on these forums are a very small portion of the population. There's no point in looking back at what ASTs used to do, or how they should have been played, because most of them probably weren't playing correctly no matter whether or not you say Balance fishing is correct or using what you have is correct.
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    Last edited by Elamys; 07-10-2019 at 09:50 AM.

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    (bad omnicrafter & terrible astrologian)

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    Haxaan Shivar
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    If we want to go off my own personal experiences in this game then most ASTs didn't use cards at all. Remember the people on these forums are a very small portion of the population. There's no point in looking back at what ASTs used to do, or how they should have been played, because most of them probably weren't playing correctly no matter whether or not you say Balance fishing is correct or using what you have is correct.
    I wonder if that is a server thing or not. In my experience most ASTs, at least ones who played them on a regular basis and not ones who were just leveling or playing for glam, used their cards, regardless if they were balance fishing or not. In fact on my server I've run into a lot of ASTs, usually new to the job, who would override my cards because not paying attention.
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