Materia / secondary stats for ShB tanks?

[ArianeEwah]

Question: how much is the minimum DH noticeable for tanks?

Your base value for DH is 380 without melds, which is equal to 0% DH.

DH melds and party buffs like Battle Voice increase your DH rate.

For GNB a "comfy" SkS is 2.39-2.40 GCD to get your Gnashing/Continuation opener + DoTs while still able to weave in 3 Cartridge Burst Strikes in, I'm currently at 2.40/2.41 and I'm not having any issues with it with mostly DH in all my gear.

Afaik the lowest SkS you should've is 2.43s GCD. I played WAR during Creator back in 3.x with the old 20s Berserk. It was possible to do with 2.43s, but almost no "breathing room". 2.4s looks perfect for a 60s rotation (25 GCDs).

What would one define as "comfy SkS?" For Warriors, it's been 5 FC in an IR window... for DRK, it's the same for Bloodspiller... for Paladin, it's useless. What SkS would GNB aim for -- furthermore, to what means would SkS serve? Is there a threshold for Gnashing Fang and Sonic Break that we should be meeting? Given the vagueness of "comfy," I'm not certain how to apply this.

A comfy SkS for WAR is 2.38s GCD and faster, but not below 2.35s. WAR and DRK don't really "want" to have the same SkS. While their Delirium and IR is on same GCD, their Gauge generation differs. You can also hold your combo and start Delirium without losing it, since 5.0 has its combo follow-up duration increased to 15s.

[Fangorn]

You can't currently stack enough crit for it to overtake det, but that will change as new gear is released. I've been told the magic number is higher than 3k.

Im sitting on 2900ish atm. With new normal raid gear i believe 3k is easily achievable.

[RyuDragnier]

What would be the suggested SkS for DRK? Currently sitting at 2.4s, and wasn't sure how fast I should be.

[ArianeEwah]

What would be the suggested SkS for DRK? Currently sitting at 2.4s, and wasn't sure how fast I should be.

2.38s-2.4s GCD = SkS value 1523-1320.

I suggest 2.4s GCD (1320+ SkS) because 80% of your abilities have a 60s recast, and Living Shadow 120s. Exceptions are Plunge and Delirium - Plunge gets charges, so there is no issue.

For Delirium:

[...]You can also hold your combo and start Delirium without losing it, since 5.0 has its combo follow-up duration increased to 15s.

edit: faster SkS builds are just for preference and memes

[Nedkel]

So basically there is no need to meld any SKS, since 2.4 will give you SKS from equipment alone.

[ArianeEwah]

So basically there is no need to meld any SKS, since 2.4 will give you SKS from equipment alone.

That is not correct. The BiS from balance discord/GNB guide does indeed make use of 3 SkS melds.
If you're talking about the AF iLvl 430 gear... that is not the highest iLvl and should be replaced.

[Fangorn]

That is not correct. The BiS from balance discord/GNB guide does indeed make use of 3 SkS melds.
If you're talking about the AF iLvl 430 gear... that is not the highest iLvl and should be replaced.

That BiS has 2 Immaculate rings in it. OwO?

[ArianeEwah]

That BiS has 2 Immaculate rings in it. OwO?

Haha, good catch.

You still need the same amount of SkS melds, as the other ring doesn't provide any.

edit: got the BiS from this guide. I checked, and all BiS listed have 2 Immaculate rings lol.

[PALADIN01]

My friend and I have been testing this out.. I see tanks with the old pre 5.0 materia set up, with a lot of DH, DET, and CRIT. DET is always great for all jobs, but in our little test, we wanted to see if they improved TEN (cause it felt useless pre-5.0). He noticed quite a difference.. With the dps materia set up on tank (I am PLD, so I cannot say for DRK. GNB, or WAR- though it seems TEN does tie in with dmg now, combined with DET of course- which everyone should have), it gets annoying healing only when the tank decides to run and pull everything. I don't mind using all of my abilities- though at times this messes with little strategies I like to do during boss fights, but it gets to the point where I have to quickly go through all of my CD on healer, then stand there spamming that heal, hoping my CD hurry up lol.. This isn't fun at all, and never an issue pre-5.0, unless the tank was bad. I don't have much of this problem on WHM, but for SCH its quite annoying.. Not sure about AST since I will probably leave that at 70, because it bores me now.. So I went with more TEN, and my friend noticed I wasn't taking as much dmg as I was before, though the real nice thing to him was the fact that when he healed me, I got more of my health back, so it didn't feel like such a struggle and chore for him- and he didn't need to use ALL of his CD's just to keep me alive, and then not have them on the next big pull, or boss. I thought fights would take a bit longer, because I didn't have the dps materia set up on tank.. Nope this wasn't the case at all, even then tested it with the trust party (though you can't really do massive pulls, since they are slow lol). As a healer, I didn't care much for PIE at all, or SpS, but I notice a positive difference. In the past PIE only gave you more MP, but now it allows more MP to return to you in combat- It was nice.. Also if people aren't eating food, they are naughty.

[Thaeros]

DH is not on any tank gear so forget that. Im a true tank, sks to get 5 castings off then all tenecity. I got 3208 right now. You all can be fake dps, i'll stay a tank.