Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[LittleChickenNugget]

I cannot believe for over 20 pages now people are still arguing over the whole fem-boy rabbit thing. Nothing even indicates that male Viera will be femboys. We're pretty certain they're not gonna be Hroth/Roe bodies either.

You guys don't even know if you're even ever gonna GET male rabbits yet but here you are tearing each others throats out. Just remember: You build yourself up too much for your own fantasy and when it comes crashing down, don't come running to the forums to call the devs names or say you were lied to. What you get is what you get and I can almost promise you that the devs are not looking at you guys in here acting like rabid dogs over how they should look and going, "You know what, so-so has a point." They probably aren't even looking in this thread at -all-.

[Theodric]

I'd consider the body type of players behind the screen to be equally as irrelevant when it comes to the subject of male viera. I want them to be reflections of how they're described in the lore rather than reflections of the physiques of some players who are desperate to turn them into their slim and short counterparts.

[LittleChickenNugget]

I'd consider the body type of players behind the screen to be equally as irrelevant when it comes to the subject of male viera.

Seriously. Because I bet most who say one thing truly look like my beloved Dulia-Chai in reality.

Edit:

Senn, I kindly ask that you stop making it sound like I'm the one bringing up the LGBT discussion among the Viera thread because I am not. Quote and ask your other fellow supporters who are, in fact, making it about that, if you would so like them to stop. Thank you. c: I personally don't care who people love or what people look like. That is not my debate for the boy buns.

[Tabbs]

Thought I'd share some fanart I made. It's not perfect but I had fun making it

https://imgur.com/xaeFBte

[MOZZYSTAR]

Ideally for me, I'd like for them to be as tall as or taller than the females.

Male rabbits are smaller than female rabbits, and I would personally like to see the female viera as the taller ones of the two, change up our usual human dimorphism that's trademark of all our races. Female lizards are also usually larger than male lizards, so Au Ra female should've actually been larger than the Au Ra male, but alas: SE (and other people) just love our "kawaii waifus" with their big-man counterparts. (Just for the record, the rest of my comment isn't aimed at you, Lau. It's just my opinion on male viera, and viera in general.)

Forget "sexuality" (because that keeps coming up in this topic, even though it's kind of irrelevant). Gender stereotypes is more prevalent. It's exactly why (or supposedly) we don't have male viera atm: because "male rabbits are 'weird.'" -Stares at the wild rabbits hopping about in my yard- Yes. Very weird.

As aforementioned, small female / large male is just a human standard of beauty for both sexes. I'm already pretty unhappy about the gender stereotypes present with the female viera NPCs: pale, timid or weak (like that viera healer in a certain quest), et cetera. Thank goodness for Lyna because she's certainly not weak. As a whole, I've been finding the white-washing to uphold western and Asian beauty standards for women to be pretty offensive, actually.

Anyway, I'd love to see viera males exactly like the one in Lau's sig (will repost at the end of message): strong, broad, masculine, stoic/austere (depending on the face), just shorter than their female counterparts. Height doesn't emasculate a man. Or at least, it shouldn't. It's a male beauty steretype, but at the same time so is our female viera... and I think it suits WoL given all the adventures. (Sorry, lalas)

[SturmChurro]

How exactly is it a gender stereotype when the vii have multiple different viera with completely different personalities. Some are fighters some aren't, like real life. Christ almighty. Everyone has to be offended.

[Theodric]

I'm not interested in dimorphism for the sake of dimorphism. I'm even less interested in male viera being hijacked by those who want to take a stand against gender stereotypes. I'm generally not a fan of real world issues being projected onto the game in general, though - especially when it boasts players from all over the world and from many different cultures; some of which aren't all that invested in 'outrage culture' to begin with.

[MOZZYSTAR]

How exactly is it a gender stereotype when the vii have multiple different viera with completely different personalities. Some are fighters some aren't, like real life. Christ almighty. Everyone has to be offended.

It's a stereotype based on female beauty standards in at least two realms of the globe: Asian and Western continents. And yes, it is offensive when vii/viera are supposed to be darker-skinned, very strong and independent female warriors. We only had one "dark" skinned female NPC in pretty much the entire SHB storyline, and she wasn't even as dark as the viera in XII where Vii/Viera were inspired from (based on SE comments). Not only that, but they gave female viera the OK because scantily clad women with bunny ears (ahem, playboy bunny and such) but heaven forbid if men can be scantily clad with bunny ears.

I'm not interested in dimorphism for the sake of dimorphism. I'm even less interested in male viera being hijacked by those who want to take a stand against gender stereotypes. I'm generally not a fan of real world issues being projected onto the game in general, though - especially when it boasts players from all over the world and from many different cultures; some of which aren't all that invested in 'outrage culture' to begin with.

It's not so much about taking a stand against gender stereotypes, it's more about diversity. If we want to see more than just "hyur with animal features," then certain things like dimorphism should be shaken up to make a race more unique. And, unfortunately for you, Theo, RL issues are definitely in the game - and that's excluding the gender stereotypes I mentioned above. They have homosexuality present in the game (not just marriages for PCs, but gay NPCs as well). They have a theory that parallels some of our current issues (not social) as presented in SHB but I won't digress because spoilers. They have social caste issues between the poor and the 1%. You'd have to be pretty blind to not see that FF covers various topics that are relevant to every day life. All of their games reflect some issue that's happening in the real world. Just look at FF9 - great example.

[LittleChickenNugget]

Did someone really use the term "white-washing" to describe a race of paler-to-begin with FANTASY RACE? I think some people need to take a step back from all media for a while. Go pop a squat in the woods, become one with nature again.

[manickitty]

I'm not interested in dimorphism for the sake of dimorphism. I'm even less interested in male viera being hijacked by those who want to take a stand against gender stereotypes. I'm generally not a fan of real world issues being projected onto the game in general, though - especially when it boasts players from all over the world and from many different cultures; some of which aren't all that invested in 'outrage culture' to begin with.

How about variety because people want it? We already have multiple buff/ripped/elegant male body types.