SHB BLM is the peak of this game's job design

[Acidblood]

Sure, but the jobs that get Second Wind also get either Bloodbath, additional survival tools, or just higher base survivability.
(Also isn't a 500 potency heal usually like... half their HP?)

Meanwhile BLM gets a lot of tradeoffs for its high DPS. Having a uniquely bad time without a pocket healer need not be one of them.

None of which is a detriment in group content (which is most content in FFXIV); meanwhile DPS is highly valued... so I'd say a fair trade.

Also; Have you ever used Second Wind? It's 15-20% at best... BRD and MCH only have Second Wind... SMN only has Physick (not worth the cast time) and Titan Shield; 20% every 30 seconds; which isn't bad but won't exactly save you for long... and if you want a pocket healer use a Chocobo... or just play RDM if want self-sustain (on a DPS) that badly.

[Archwizard]

None of which is a detriment in group content (which is most content in FFXIV); meanwhile DPS is highly valued... so I'd say a fair trade.

Also; Have you ever used Second Wind? It's 15-20% at best... BRD and MCH only have Second Wind... SMN only has Physick (not worth the cast time) and Titan Shield; 20% every 30 seconds; which isn't bad but won't exactly save you for long... and if you want a pocket healer use a Chocobo... or just play RDM if want self-sustain (on a DPS) that badly.

<-- 1) I do play RDM. See, Main Class,
2) You aren't always going to have a Chocobo, consider Eureka (to which I'm sure there'll be some child of it later in the Xpac) or any number of instanced quests,
3) I'd argue for Physick to be buffed for SMN at the same time, but to address your point, they can also use Titan's shield twice in a row, can use it more often, and have a free heal on their Phoenix,
4) To my knowledge all DoWs have higher health pools and defenses to start with, so if we're arguing about the approximate value of Second Wind even returning only 15-20%, let's talk about how that compares to Manaward returning 30% of a caster's health pool, shall we? 'Cuz at the end of the day, it's about how many slaps you can take to the face, and mob damage doesn't scale down just 'cuz you're squishy.

[Casino]

Which is a slower start, but I find the timing quite nice and it puts me into a good rhythm (until I get targeted by random AoEs and it all goes to hell).

Like I said, without being a great math BLM, I think the potency is the same taking account a second B3 will come sooner if we begin by fire. It is possible to use triple cast first and delay lay line for taking position.

Just a thing, You can't begin an Ice opening with triple cast, because you are supposed to pre-cast B3 before the pull. Use it for taking position after F3.

[Len]

Now if only they could achieve similar design feats on Summoner, who looks to be gearing up for another partial or complete rework in 7.0.

[Acidblood]

<-- 1) I do play RDM. See, Main Class,
2) You aren't always going to have a Chocobo, consider Eureka (to which I'm sure there'll be some child of it later in the Xpac) or any number of instanced quests,
3) I'd argue for Physick to be buffed for SMN at the same time, but to address your point, they can also use Titan's shield twice in a row, can use it more often, and have a free heal on their Phoenix,
4) To my knowledge all DoWs have higher health pools and defenses to start with, so if we're arguing about the approximate value of Second Wind even returning only 15-20%, let's talk about how that compares to Manaward returning 30% of a caster's health pool, shall we? 'Cuz at the end of the day, it's about how many slaps you can take to the face, and mob damage doesn't scale down just 'cuz you're squishy.

1) Then why do you need BLM to also have self-heals?
2) So you want to balance jobs around Eureka now? :facepalm: (which has Logos actions BTW, and was never designed to be solo friendly). Special instanced content includes NPC / passive heals (if needed).
3) Good for them. Maybe you should consider playing SMN.
4) Yes, Melee have slightly higher HP pools, and better physical defence, though worse magical defence, they also tend to get hit more. Maybe you should consider playing Melee, I hear DRG is in a pretty good spot right now.

[Archwizard]

1) Then why do you need BLM to also have self-heals?
2) So you want to balance jobs around Eureka now? :facepalm: (which has Logos actions BTW, and was never designed to be solo friendly). Special instanced content includes NPC / passive heals (if needed).
3) Good for them. Maybe you should consider playing SMN.
4) Yes, Melee have slightly higher HP pools, and better physical defence, though worse magical defence, they also tend to get hit more. Maybe you should consider playing Melee, I hear DRG is in a pretty good spot right now.

Ah, riveting: No less than 3 "Well why don't you go play something else" responses.
You can already tell this is gonna be a productive discussion.

All I'm saying is, every job should have an option to self-sustain while leveling or soloing, even BLM. And as luck would have it, most jobs already do, BLM being a major exception.

[Orbus]

You're serious, aren't you?
You're actually putting psysic on a pedestal as if the minuscule amount it heals from a summoner somehow makes it better than manaward because manaward doesn't technically heal hp.

Abilities like manaward and second wind aren't there to replace a lazy healer, they're there to give you a one time save because you fudged a mechanic.

Vercure is the outlier and no amount of mental gymnastics will change that.

[Kabooa]

Ah, riveting: No less than 3 "Well why don't you go play something else" responses.
You can already tell this is gonna be a productive discussion.

All I'm saying is, every job should have an option to self-sustain while leveling or soloing, even BLM. And as luck would have it, most jobs already do, BLM being a major exception.

Shielding is a form of sustain. Health you don't lose is health you don't have to heal.

[Numenor1379]

Shielding is a form of sustain. Health you don't lose is health you don't have to heal.

So why does SAM have Third Eye (and associated heal), Second Wind, AND Bloodbath? 1 mitigation and three healing skills on the #2 DPS in the game when BLM only gets a 30% HP shield every two minutes?

[Hasrat]

Triple Cast > B3 > Enochian (weave) > B4 > Sharpcast (weave) > Thunder 3 > Laylines (weave) > F3 > F4x3 > F1 > Thunder 3 (proc) > F4x3 > (if Firestarter: F3 > Manafont (weave) > F4x2 >) Despair > B3 > Xenoglossy > Sharpcast (weave) > B4 / Thunder III (order depends on Thunder proc) > F3 ... repeat.

This entire post was brilliant. One thing caught my eye here, and maybe you higher level players have a reason for it, I typically tend to cast T3 in the opener before B4. I figure it's gotta be better to get that DoT ticking sooner rather than later (although with current timers, may be slightly irrelevant). I suppose maybe it's an MP issue; cheaper spell leading into AF for... actually, I suppose you would need that exact setup for Despair, don't you? The way I've been doing it usually ends at 700 MP, short of the 800 minimum I assume Despair needs. That's damn good to know before I even get started into 5.0.
I also tend to try weaving Leylines in after the first F3 rather than before, figuring the potency as you swap isn't super, and maybe better to have LL up as long as possible after that initial establishment. Again, may not super matter, I'm supposing, though I have a hunch that your rotation has much less risk of clipping/animation lock.

Should also probably really work on adding in Sharpcast and Triple Cast to my muscle memory. I know they're doing me no good just sitting there, but I'm also not hardcore enough to be too worried about eking out that last little boost.