If you thought the healer DPS debate would change with the change...

[ScarboroughFairy]

And yet, she's right. IF, and that a big if, we know it won't happen, but if it did, we'd see probably an increase of healers in DF because we wouldn't have to put up with the toxic behavior of other players throwing their "ideal" on to a healer.

I wouldn't go that far. There was an incident recently where a twitch streamer votekicked a WHM for spamcasting Holy on large pull in a dungeon with little to no damage being done to the tank. This pissed off a lot of Healers that tuned in because that Healer did nothing wrong. I would say that there's more people that share the sentiment that they should do more than just the bare minimum, but I have no objective way to back up this claim aside from that minor anecdote.

We get it already. Some healers love to dps (to the point they tunnel vision the tank health... wipe incoming!), some focus on healing before dps, while some don't do any dps at all.
And I'm not saying that I support those who do stand around doing nothing, but I don't support this utter bs of bulling in DF dungeons.

Neither do I support bullying, especially if the party is getting raked in a dungeon and the Healer doesn't have time to DPS because people can't stop standing in bad. You can't heal stupid after all.

And let be honest, it dungeons. If DPS themselves can't pull their weight in a dungeon and NEED the healer to dps, I hope they aren't going to be applying for a raid group anytime soon.

Gonna stop you here because it isn't about DPS not pulling their weight when it comes to DPSing. It's about being proactive and executing the Job to the best of your ability. The faster mobs die, the less time you have to focus on Healing in the first place. It's why we have, as Healers, DPS buttons as a part of our kit as damage dealing is, in itself, a form of healing.

[Cylla]

Gonna stop you here because it isn't about DPS not pulling their weight when it comes to DPSing. It's about being proactive and executing the Job to the best of your ability. The faster mobs die, the less time you have to focus on Healing in the first place. It's why we have, as Healers, DPS buttons as a part of our kit as damage dealing is, in itself, a form of healing.

Again, we don't know the whole story beyond what the OP posted here.
If she was focused on keeping up the group but yelled/told to dps when she didn't have the freedom to do so, there a problem and not with the healer. I'm not going to disagree and say that mobs won't die faster if the healer add in their own dps, but it should only be when they have the ability to do so. I've had times already where I "thought" I could dps only to find the tank eating dirt a few seconds later.

I don't know. I've gotten into pug runs where tanks seem to not know how to use their abilities right or dps standing in bad and making no effect to move. No joke, I had a DNC last night who was doing this. Things like this at the moment, keep me from doing dps as i'm having to spend mana in raising and keeping the tank up.

[ScarboroughFairy]

Again, we don't know the whole story beyond what the OP posted here.
If she was focused on keeping up the group but yelled/told to dps when she didn't have the freedom to do so, there a problem and not with the healer. I'm not going to disagree and say that mobs won't die faster if the healer add in their own dps, but it should only be when they have the ability to do so. I've had times already where I "thought" I could dps only to find the tank eating dirt a few seconds later.

I'm going to concede to your earlier point in a previous comment about people talking past each other to attack the extremes because I find there is very little we actually disagree on. To this end and in regards to the very comment I'm quoting, I agree. This is exactly why all of my previous comments aren't admonishing the OP because I don't have the full story. My contention is with those who insist idling is acceptable when they aren't healing.