Please bring back Diversion

[Llugen]

tl;dr but in my opinion a much more regrettable change isn't the loss of diversion but the loss of enmity dumps and Ultimatum.

Before, if your tank died, they could run back and ultimatum the mobs and then party members could dump and everything was generally ok, now if the tank dies there is basically a 99.9% chance of wipe.

[Shurrikhan]

I've been getting aggro in packs as Dancer, from tanks that do have tank stance on ;-;

Not sure what they were doing TBH.

Same during AoE on WHM. I've seen the tank lose enmity to RDMs, DNCs, SMNs, and BLMs, as well during large pack pulls. I suspect it's because the tanks aren't quite reaching the mobs on the far end of the crowd with their AoEs during wall-to-wall pulls.

[gumas]

I have the boss and the ot struggles to get it from me

iam not expert but what happen to the good old provoke + whatever skill now that get you highest enmity? the provoke should literally bring OT aggro to the top no matter how low he is.

I've been getting aggro in packs as Dancer, from tanks that do have tank stance on ;-;

sometimes i see tank went into the mob and only do aoe enmity once then continue to single target the enemy. since dancer skill is aoe (and a big one too) i think its possible to steal other enemy aggro especially tank only doing aoe enmity once, just because the aggro is ridiculous now doesnt mean you can just do aoe enmity once and leave it like that.

my friend BLM doing this a lot of time, especially when he do 3 flare + 1 foul

[MaraD_]

honestly dont think tanks need the tank stance for threat.
just being the 1st to hit the mob seems to be enough to hold hate.

in 3 different groups, forgot to put tank stance on, and went multiple pulls before i realized it wasnt on.
didnt even come close to losing threat. (I was also SEVERELY messing up my damage too, since i kept pushing buttons from SB, that dont actually do anything now.)

[Taikugemu]

I've been getting aggro in packs as Dancer, from tanks that do have tank stance on ;-;

Not sure what they were doing TBH.

Basically not AoEing. Even trust Tancred doesn't lose aggro to me in dungeons.

[ValStormbreaker]

Basically not AoEing. Even trust Tancred doesn't lose aggro to me in dungeons.

Yes but trusts also perform mechanics properly. Or so I hear. I'll be sure to let you know if Urianger starts exclaiming "mechanics are for cars" and blaming the DPSes for taking too much damage in unavoidable mechanics when he fails a healer check next time I try out a trust dungeon. X'D

[AncientCrystal]

Don't need diversion. It felt crap to use anyway.

Tanks basically het auto aggro just by touching a mob now. Don't need it.

If tank lost hate it's because they forgot their stance, or just not spreading out their hits amongst the mobs well enough