Request: Could Lucid Dreaming's Enmity Drop be Re-implemented?

[Enjuden]

Don't use medica 2 in 4 mans. Ever. As for 'have you ever raised while a mob is wailing on you?' Yes. Regen, Divine Benison, Sure Cast, res. Or swiftcast res. Or don't let the tank die while you have infinite MP as a WHM.

The other two have even easier healing thanks to Adlo/Aspected Benefic. Why healers are so afraid to use their mp and only cast physick (the worst healing spell in the game) is beyond me. I think it's more l2p, especially if people are dumb enough to say Physick heals more than Adloquium

[Shurrikhan]

{Provoke} {Please use it}

That works on one target per 40 seconds.

So what your saying is the game punishes you more and you dont like it? Would you like the game to be easier?

While I'd generally agree with your censure here, there is a difference between difficulty and punishment. One doesn't become more okay with the tank dying and a wipe becoming very likely just because rezzing the tank in an AoE fight is then utterly irrelevant in terms of tanking (save for one of n mobs). It's still basically the worst thing that can possibly happen save for healing being both necessary and impossible. Having the tank be an available part of salvaging an AoE fight by more than just his or her added dps isn't the end of the world -- it decreases punishment far, far more than it decreases difficulty.

At present, even with some 20x tank enmity, the loss of enmity-drops and mass-provoke means that they're merely going to be swatting at the remaining enemies while the bash away on the healer, which feels a bit... off.

[Kaylessa]

While I'd generally agree with your censure here, there is a difference between difficulty and punishment. One doesn't become more okay with the tank dying and a wipe becoming very likely just because rezzing the tank in an AoE fight is then utterly irrelevant in terms of tanking (save for one of n mobs). It's still basically the worst thing that can possibly happen save for healing being both necessary and impossible. Having the tank be an available part of salvaging an AoE fight by more than just his or her added dps isn't the end of the world -- it decreases punishment far, far more than it decreases difficulty.

At present, even with some 20x tank enmity, the loss of enmity-drops and mass-provoke means that they're merely going to be swatting at the remaining enemies while the bash away on the healer, which feels a bit... off.

But if the tank(s) died to a trash mob then a mistake happened. Because tanks shouldn't be dying in trash mobs. So why shouldn't there be some consequences for that?

[Lufir]

Tanking is so easy now that the only way to lose agro is via death. So it's not really necessary anymore.

[Shurrikhan]

But if the tank(s) died to a trash mob then a mistake happened. Because tanks shouldn't be dying in trash mobs. So why shouldn't there be some consequences for that?

There are consequences, chiefly that everyone will likely die within the time it takes to Swiftcast-Rez and heal up the tank.

I just don't see the tank being useless for lack of threat in the event that one has that time to resurrect and heal it to be a consequence which is vital, cohesive, or ultimately beneficial.

Is it a necessary change to allow for unlikely scenario B (can rez and ready the tank before everyone's dead anyways in an AoE fight) on the offchance of unlikely scenario A (somehow actually letting the tank die)? No. But, I'd consider it a more attractive state, as it otherwise allows for disproportionately less value from the tank being rezzed than any other role.

[DiznypKC]

I think you answered your own problem. We USED to be able to do content that way but times change and we now must change out play style to smaller pulls in those dungeons. Times change you get in or you get out.

Wait a minute.

If a WHM can’t keep a tank alive while spamming Cure II, that IS a problem.

We can’t adapt to this bright shiny new world of we don’t have the tools.

[Mistyregions]

Wait a minute.

If a WHM can’t keep a tank alive while spamming Cure II, that IS a problem.

We can’t adapt to this bright shiny new world of we don’t have the tools.

Well I'm playing GNB I literally just finished the 77 dungeon and our healer died with 1/3 of the first bosses life to go.

I survived on just my CDs and self heal and regen. That being said you may be experiencing bad tanks

[NanaWiloh]

But but but, their time is precious, they can't take all that time learning from the parties mistakes!

I'm usually not snarky. But as one who mains healers, I'm finding this entire display before we've had a time to properly adjust to things kinda premature.

I have not had a single problem yet. A few close calls, sure, but I'm rolling along on my "gutted" class just fine.

Same here only issues I have had are people who have not adjusted or just play badly in general. Had to kick my co-healer after our 3rd wipe on the new primal cause they were sitting at 85%-100% mana during the fight. More then once I had to save them and try too save others cause they were not healing themselves or anyone else. Heal wisely, make use of lucid dreaming if you start to get low. If people are screwing up advise them of their mistakes as this stuff is new for all of us.

[NanaWiloh]

Wait a minute.

If a WHM can’t keep a tank alive while spamming Cure II, that IS a problem.

We can’t adapt to this bright shiny new world of we don’t have the tools.

That is a tank problem. Either undergeared, not using CD's at all or properly or pulling too much.

[Destati]

Give us back Mana Shift while you're at it. Please. You have no idea how many times I've seen healers low on MP and it damn near physically hurts me not to be able to give them some of mine. ;(