Request: Could Lucid Dreaming's Enmity Drop be Re-implemented?

[Mistyregions]

I am saying it is better to have the tools even if they are niche and not used often then to not have them and need them. Situations can and do happen because not everyone is perfect and on the same wavelength. There is a variance in skill levels and sometimes the boss just drops tons aoes that are unavoidable and placed by players. I've seen tanks do everything right and still die because of things outside of their control due to how people scatter trying to get away from other AoE's while converging their own with others.

Those tools make it easier, so that a hard no. I believe most can agree everything is already easy.

Second everyone needs to get on the same wavelength, this is a team sport not and individual competition. Communicate and figure out where to AOEs go and where to place them, that's just a corps component of the game.

We adapt to the game or we get punished by it, this is how the game is played. Take time to learn and discuss it with your party members, take time to learn and it will be easy.

[Mistyregions]

Yeah, that’s generally the idea.

However, a lot of our healing kit has been stripped from earlier levels. Running older content is becoming more problematic than it should be.

For example, running Snowcloak (lvl 50) dungeon with a team of level synced (and well geared) characters. The tank was doing large pulls, and my WHM’s healing kit was not fleshed out enough to handle it.

Why? Because at level 50 we have Cure I, II, III, Medica, Medica II, Regen, Benediction, and that is all. Since they took Largesse away from us, bundled it with Protect and called it Temperance (our level 80 ability), we no longer have anything that boosts our healing power in a pinch.

So even spamming Cure II (which you should never have to do in casual content), the tank still died, followed by the DPS. Thankfully, I was able to Rez sir Gundblade-a-lot and avoid a wipe.

But the point is, that shouldn’t have been a problem in the first place. The pull in question wasn’t even his biggest pull of the dungeon.

Healers have been hamstringed in pre-60 content.

I think you answered your own problem. We USED to be able to do content that way but times change and we now must change out play style to smaller pulls in those dungeons. Times change you get in or you get out.

[Mistyregions]

Or they're standing in bad/had another player run mechanics onto them that got them cleaved. It's not always as simple as 'it's the healer's or their gear's fault' much as we might all wish it was. Having an option to reduce threat, especially attached to a pre-existing skill that causes no button bloat isn't a tall order for those 'oh shit' moments we all know happen from time to time.

Reduce threat for what? The problem is the tank shouldn't die, be it the tanks fault or others. After that it's pretty much a wipe anyways so just wipe and learn and do it again.

[Enla]

Reduce threat for what? The problem is the tank shouldn't die, be it the tanks fault or others. After that it's pretty much a wipe anyways so just wipe and learn and do it again.

Ever try to raise someone while a mob is wailing on you? I see you don't have healers leveled so perhaps not unless that's an alt. If the animation isn't cancelled outright you're dead before you can get the long cast off if Swiftcast is on cooldown, which it often is in those 'oh shit' moments. Enmity dropping as a healer isn't just for hate ripping, it's to help save a potential wipe and give the healer just long enough to get enough people back on their feet. Because when the healer is spam healing while the tanks are dead /they ARE/ going to get threat.

[Mistyregions]

Ever try to raise someone while a mob is wailing on you? I see you don't have healers leveled so perhaps not unless that's an alt. If the animation isn't cancelled outright you're dead before you can get the long cast off if Swiftcast is on cooldown, which it often is in those 'oh shit' moments. Enmity dropping as a healer isn't just for hate ripping, it's to help save a potential wipe and give the healer just long enough to get enough people back on their feet. Because when the healer is spam healing while the tanks are dead /they ARE/ going to get threat.

Yah so I guess I'm being misunderstood, my apologies. As much as what you want is a REACTIVE solution I suggest you be more PROACTIVE, by whatever means necessary.

Do we need steps on how to get gud?

[Enla]

Yah so I guess I'm being misunderstood, my apologies. As much as what you want is a REACTIVE solution I suggest you be more PROACTIVE, by whatever means necessary.

Do we need steps on how to get gud?

You do realize healers can spend their entire time healing, doing everything right, and still have people die because they're allergic to doing mechanics right? And for those people who are allergic to doing mechanics, a few more seconds in a fight can help them figure stuff out more readily. Telling them to 'get gud' is trite and doesn't address the problem in any way.

[HyoMinPark]

A friend of mine has been leveling GNB alongside my DNC, and there have been issues where the healer doesn’t heal them and they die; or they would hit Superbolide—it suffers from the same issue as Hallowed Ground/Benedicition delay—and would die. However, when they raised, they were able to get enmity back fairly fast despite neither DPS having anything to mitigate or cull their aggro. It took them 1~2 GCDs at most for a trash pack in one of the ShB dungeons.

[Mistyregions]

You do realize healers can spend their entire time healing, doing everything right, and still have people die because they're allergic to doing mechanics right? And for those people who are allergic to doing mechanics, a few more seconds in a fight can help them figure stuff out more readily. Telling them to 'get gud' is trite and doesn't address the problem in any way.

Ok so tank dies the job and the healers do their jobs so what is the threat debuff you guys want for? And so what people wipe. You wipe and then do it again, you wipe and address the problem. It takes what, 30 seconds to respawn and run back? Don't carry someone through if they don't grasp the mechanics and if they make a mistake, o well that's part of the game.

So what does threat reduction have to do with any of this?

[Kaylessa]

Ever try to raise someone while a mob is wailing on you? I see you don't have healers leveled so perhaps not unless that's an alt. If the animation isn't cancelled outright you're dead before you can get the long cast off if Swiftcast is on cooldown, which it often is in those 'oh shit' moments. Enmity dropping as a healer isn't just for hate ripping, it's to help save a potential wipe and give the healer just long enough to get enough people back on their feet. Because when the healer is spam healing while the tanks are dead /they ARE/ going to get threat.

Don't even bother trying to raise if swift is down, just try and grab aggro because you probably have a better chance of mini tanking than DPS, slap on a medica 2, use presence, then try and burn the mob down with holy, assize, holy holy holy holy holy holy holy while using every OGCD heal you have up ... and I suppose GCD heals. If you die then you die *shrugs*. It's not like real life where dying has huge consequences. However it is definitely possible to mini tank entire dungeons using the healer but it really depends which dungeon, and big mobs are still a problem xD

Enmity is now the sole responsibility of the tanks, as it should be. If they die to a trash mob then either they pulled too big or the healer wasn't paying attention/didn't catch up. So it's a mistake to correct.

EDIT... oh yeah, not a white mage, then that would be a bit more difficult. Welp, reset and try again

[Keddera_StormMoon]

But but but, their time is precious, they can't take all that time learning from the parties mistakes!

I'm usually not snarky. But as one who mains healers, I'm finding this entire display before we've had a time to properly adjust to things kinda premature.

I have not had a single problem yet. A few close calls, sure, but I'm rolling along on my "gutted" class just fine.