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  1. #21
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    Canadane's Avatar
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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Freerider View Post
    Go in the 71 dungeon and have your tank pull wall to wall. I didn't really get to dps at all and I'd say I'm a pretty decent healer.
    Hi am a tank and did exactly that after I realized they don't hit as hard as anyone has said.
    We ended up fine and my WHM had no complaints, was still able to DPS.
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  2. #22
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    CarnivalNights's Avatar
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    Freis Lavande
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    WHMs got super healbomb buffed, and of course with SCH having a heal bot, it's not hard for them to DPS, AST definitely is the hardest of the three to heal with compared to the other two. I'm definitely having a harder time healing as an AST.
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  3. #23
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    Yomiko_Nonaka's Avatar
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    Character
    Yomiko Nonaka
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    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Hi am a tank and did exactly that after I realized they don't hit as hard as anyone has said.
    We ended up fine and my WHM had no complaints, was still able to DPS.
    but but but, are you a tank who know how to use his CD ? real question here !
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  4. #24
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    xXAzurePrimeXx's Avatar
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    Creme Anglaise
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Omg so I wasnt the only one that noticed? EVERYONE seems to be squishy even in lower level content. I did WoD last night on SCH and was surprised to see I actually had to pay attention. Tbh it feels really good. It seems they upped the damage everyone takes or something idk but I'm having more fun healing than I ever have.
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  5. #25
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    Kuurei's Avatar
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    Character
    Kurei Hitaka
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    WHM healing got buffed significantly across the board (Cure is 450 pot now, C2 is 700, Med1 is 400). Add Afflatus Solace into the mix for ST and chain with Tetra and you have a ridiculous amount of free healing potential. Cure's potency buff combined with the reduced cooldown also makes it a good buffer for when you don't have Solace or Tetra available. Haven't got much experience in ShB dungeons yet, but I'd imagine that they are going to be harder to heal for AST and SCH simply by the merit of their changes as well as the fact that none of us are overgeared atm.

    WHM itself I don't forsee too many problems unless your tank's bad at gauging what's actually possible.

    MP also doesn't seem hard to keep a grasp on now at all...halved cooldown on Lucid Dreaming means more refresh pops for all healers. WHM also has their specific tools as usual.

    So far it seems WHM is...well, doing what it does. And SCH and AST may need some tuning, at least for dungeon content.
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  6. #26
    Player Yuyuka3's Avatar
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    Character
    Kyara Moonbane
    World
    Shiva
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Freerider View Post
    Whm is having a way easier time with everything than Astro and Scholar are. Whm needs a nerf a bit to their mana or their costs need to match us. No offense happy you guys are doing well. Sch and astro just feel rough.
    Okay,sorry, but no. This is the last straw. CAN YOU PEOPLE PLEASE JUST ACCEPT THAT WHM GOT ONE SINGLE ADVANTAGE OVER YOU JUST THIS ONE TIME???
    We got NO real raid utility, a single shield on a 30 seconds cooldown compared to your spamable ones, literally all we have is a bit higher damage we won't be able to keep up in movement-heavy fights and godlike MP management. You are deluding yourself if you believe for just one minute that WHM has a place in hardcore and even many midcore (hi, sheeples) groups for more than progression, and we've seen in the past that even that isn't a given at all. You already took over as the best healer, you are already holding all the advantages in your kits, you literally get them handed to you on a silver platter, and you still dare to demand to be made even more OP compared to us? I'm SO SICK of people literally demanding to have everything the WHM has, and then, when SE caves in to your tantrums, sneer on WHM for being so bad and boring and having nothing that makes them stand out.

    So grow up already and accept the ONE. SINGLE. ADVANTAGE. WHM. HAS. OVER. YOU!
    It's not that hard, you know. It won't hurt you, because you got all the rest that's important.
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    Last edited by Yuyuka3; 06-30-2019 at 09:57 AM.

  7. #27
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    Ilenya's Avatar
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    Character
    Aurora Vlondett
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 100
    I agree that WHM probably doesn't need a nerf (I've not tried it), but that doesn't mean that there isn't some finetuning to be done. You can calm down on the rage, at least.
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  8. #28
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    MPNZ's Avatar
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    Nephie Elz
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 90
    Just going by my dungeon runs today, the AST LV70 tools def needs to be rethought, because it plays very un-smoothly when weaving due to this weird lockout and the redraw-thingy and the divination seals is very distracting right now and has already caused two wipes in dungeons. It feels like they just over-tweaked it without thinking about just how it would affect older content or miscalculated it. They should really just think about reverting the cards effects, play and held, and sleeve draw back to 4.0 (sans spire and balance) to deal with the pre-lv71 content difficulty And, remove the cast-interrupt penalties. And, decrease the cast times for AST. I really don't want to try to even think about using AST in Stone Vigil. Also, maybe locking in seals every three seal (to help prevent fishing), and maybe rework royal road to create stacks that players could use as currency for redraws (burn cards for two stacks and spend three stacks for a second redraw) instead of mega-cast-all and potency increases

    This is not a great start, but it should like get way better at lv77-80. And, give players some time to think about everything.
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  9. #29
    Player Yuyuka3's Avatar
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    Kyara Moonbane
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    I agree that WHM probably doesn't need a nerf (I've not tried it), but that doesn't mean that there isn't some finetuning to be done. You can calm down on the rage, at least.
    Not when things are already so unevenly distributed as is the case with healers; not as long as WHM has nothing in the way of raid utility. We have seen this multiple times in the past, as soon as they start adjusting things in favor of SCH and AST, WHM looses so much ground as to be cast aside by a good portion of players. The job needs at least one advantage over the others, or it will be cast aside again. Not that good MP management will save it for long, but it's something. The job was stripped of most of its good stuff already, let it be the uncontested best in at least something, and at least for a time! That time won't really last very long anyway.
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  10. #30
    Player
    MPNZ's Avatar
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    Nephie Elz
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuyuka3 View Post
    Okay,sorry, but no. This is the last straw. CAN YOU PEOPLE PLEASE JUST ACCEPT THAT WHM GOT ONE SINGLE ADVANTAGE OVER YOU JUST THIS ONE TIME???
    We got NO real raid utility, a single shield on a 30 seconds cooldown compared to your spamable ones, literally all we have is a bit higher damage we won't be able to keep up in movement-heavy fights and godlike MP management. You are deluding yourself if you believe for just one minute that WHM has a place in hardcore and even many midcore (hi, sheeples) groups for more than progression, and we've seen in the past that even that isn't a given at all. You already took over as the best healer, you are already holding all the advantages in your kits, you literally get them handed to you on a silver platter, and you still dare to demand to be made even more OP compared to us? I'm SO SICK of people literally demanding to have everything the WHM has, and then, when SE caves in to your tantrums, sneer on WHM for being so bad and boring and having nothing that makes them stand out.

    So grow up already and accept the ONE. SINGLE. ADVANTAGE. WHM. HAS. OVER. YOU!
    It's not that hard, you know. It won't hurt you, because you got all the rest that's important.
    Um, everyone wanted WHM to improve on the forums. Everyone wanted WHM to be viable past progression in the forums. And, you are totally projecting. So, cut it out, pls.
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