Will 5.0 ShadowBringers make crafting hard again?

[Espritduo]

That's the first thing that came to mind when I read that too. Making challenges is great, a leaderboard for fun is great too, but once you tack on limited rewards to that leaderboard you're going to get people exploiting the system and it requires an active team to combat that. I would much rather the leaderboard not be tied to the rewards at all and simply allow people to attempt to reach challenge goals.

Has it actually been said that there will be limited rewards tied to ranking on the leader board? If so, that would be the worst thing they've ever done in the game. The solo-centric Crafting system and time-limited ranked PVP rewards are two things that should NEVER go together. In any shard.

I don't mind Ultimate-level prestige rewards being tied to skill and dedication that any crafter can eventually get if they've got what it takes (and it should take ALOT). I DO mind them being tied to a ranked, time/quantity-limited system that only exploiters and no-lifers who play the game 18+ hours a day will ever be able to get.

[Driavna]

I hope if they do that will be something like the glamour "contest". You have a few tries each week to prepare and get the best possible score. If you can just turn in, whatever is requested, non-stop... oh boy, what they have done?

[BoazJochin]

What I don't like are being able to macro 4star without HQ items.

I can do 4 star hq with nq mats, however I have all VI's and V in my slots. It took alot of time and dedication not to mention gil to get to that point though. I have re melded at least 2 times to find the right amount for me. I can only do it with my spec though, My non spec has to have tea's and some HQ mats to guarantee a 100% hq.

It also took me a while to find the correct macro that worked with my stats. Just because there is a macro out there doesn't mean it will work for your stats. You have to tweek them for your build. if you don't know how to do that maybe you shouldn't be crafting. I can craft with a macro or without and get the same results because I know the system. just because you have a macro doesn't mean you know how to craft.

[KageTokage]

Has it actually been said that there will be limited rewards tied to ranking on the leader board? If so, that would be the worst thing they've ever done in the game. The solo-centric Crafting system and time-limited ranked PVP rewards are two things that should NEVER go together. In any shard.

I don't mind Ultimate-level prestige rewards being tied to skill and dedication that any crafter can eventually get if they've got what it takes (and it should take ALOT). I DO mind them being tied to a ranked, time/quantity-limited system that only exploiters and no-lifers who play the game 18+ hours a day will ever be able to get.

They said the system is going to have "seasons" akin to the Feast where the top players get special rewards, though they also considered locking previous winners out of taking a top spot again for the sake of preventing a monopoly.

Depending on how long the seasons are and how many top ranking spots there are, it could still take a very long time before the players who actually deserve the rewards get them instead of cheaters, though...

I hope if they do that will be something like the glamour "contest". You have a few tries each week to prepare and get the best possible score. If you can just turn in, whatever is requested, non-stop... oh boy, what they have done?

My hope is that you'll be given an item to craft that has no limit to how high its collectability can be raised and the players who turn in the items with the highest collectability will get the top spots.

Such a system still wouldn't be 100% bot proof (Since you can bet people will just automate crafts until they get an unreasonably good streak of luck with multiple excellents), but it's still way less exploitable then a quantity > quality system.

[Liam_Harper]

My hope is that you'll be given an item to craft that has no limit to how high its collectability can be raised and the players who turn in the items with the highest collectability will get the top spots.

Such a system still wouldn't be 100% bot proof (Since you can bet people will just automate crafts until they get an unreasonably good streak of luck with multiple excellents), but it's still way less exploitable then a quantity > quality system.

It wouldn't just be bots, hardcore players would repeat their crafts over and over to try to hit Excellent on at least Brygots to top the leaderboard. It wouldn't be enjoyable gameplay. If you removed the ability to hit Good/Excellent, the only difficulty is gear and you just macro it.

Quite curious how they'll handle it tbh. I don't want to be too skeptical but I'm really not sure the leaderboard is a great idea, unless it's purely vanity with no rewards.

[Espritduo]

They said the system is going to have "seasons" akin to the Feast where the top players get special rewards, though they also considered locking previous winners out of taking a top spot again for the sake of preventing a monopoly.

That's EVEN WORSE than PVP feast, since even if everything is actually fair and properly managed, and I manage a top ranking spot and get one reward, it just means I will never be able to get the reward for next time, no matter what. What if I get the reward for one season and it's, say, a glamour that's alright, but next season they decide to make it a bad-ass mount that I really want? This is really REALLY turning me off the whole thing, big time.

I mean, does ANYONE think this is a good idea? What crafter would want something like this implemented? I'd rather have no rewards and just have fun than super limited rewards that no matter how skilled, dedicated or lucky you are, you STILL can't get.

[Nezerius]

That's EVEN WORSE than PVP feast, since even if everything is actually fair and properly managed, and I manage a top ranking spot and get one reward, it just means I will never be able to get the reward for next time, no matter what. What if I get the reward for one season and it's, say, a glamour that's alright, but next season they decide to make it a bad-ass mount that I really want? This is really REALLY turning me off the whole thing, big time.

I mean, does ANYONE think this is a good idea? What crafter would want something like this implemented? I'd rather have no rewards and just have fun than super limited rewards that no matter how skilled, dedicated or lucky you are, you STILL can't get.

You're way too focused on the Feast part of the example. Yoshi simply used Feast as an example because it has 1. A ranking system, 2. A seasonal system.
That doesn't mean the reward system will be exactly the same (rewards for the #1, top 10, top 100).

It's possible that the top rank reward is something that won't change over the seasons, so people won't have any reason to go for that top rank with every season.
Could also be that the season unique rewards simply require reaching a specific rating, not a specific rank.

Here's the translation of the interview that goes over the Restoration of Ishgard:

Ishgard restoration

• There will be a ranking system for the Ishgard restoration. He used the feast as an example and said there will be seasons for it. To avoid the same top tier players from dominating it every season, they designed it so you can graduate and be done with it after you are rewarded for being top** a single time. (note: Alts............)
• Those who want rare titles and flashy primary tools will need to level their jobs first and then have the perfect gear and materia and then challange extremely difficult recipes.
• For those who only do battle content and don't gather or craft as much, the Ishgard restoration area does have ways in which those people can participate with lower level classes.
• There's a system where players can purchase a "restoration ticket" which they can use to contribute to the restoration and also gain rewards from the lottery if they are lucky.
• After the restoration reaches a certain point, something like a "seasonal event" will be held irregularly and you can participate in those to gain rewards.
• Each world (server) will have its own progression, so players can compete/race with other servers to restore Isghard faster.
• You can also use the world visit system fo take a look at other servers and see their progress.
• There are plans on renewing Diadem and sticking it to the Ishgard restoration.

[Espritduo]

That....sounds a lot better, thank you.

*tucks tinfoil hat back in his pocket*

[SamSmoot]

One change I'd like to see is the elimination of group content from crafting. I keep running into recipes that require getting stuff from dungeons, which I only run when required by the MSQ.

[Vidu]

One change I'd like to see is the elimination of group content from crafting. I keep running into recipes that require getting stuff from dungeons, which I only run when required by the MSQ.

I'd be very intrested to hear what those recipes are... except for some furniture no recipes are using items that can only be found in dungeons - some dungeons might drop materials, but usually there is another way to get those items.
The furniture that requires dungeon-drops is also always connected to the dungeon in question and by far nothing thats used in every day crafting. Considering that those drops only occure in ARR-dungeons, you dont even need a group, you can unsynch and solo them.