New DRK is awful. Here’s why and what could be done about it.

[Danelo]

Yeah, as many have pointed out, we aren't going to get HW DRK back. The skill ceiling was too high and skill floor was too low for SE to go back to bc of their business model. In addition to what you said, there seems like there is not a reward for managing CDs and resources effectively. Surely there is a way to accomplish this without killing the job (again). It's feels like twice the work for the same, usually less, reward as the other current tank jobs. It's too dumbed down.

[shao32]

Indeed, well literally going back to HW version it's impossible yeah, but redesign the job to have a more closer approach of the job was without the problem of the past its just all what we ask for, I don't think it's hard to make, they have the old designs, just make it better.

Just Unga bunga, nothing more, nothing less.

Reload and swing swing bang bang on my case.

[WhyAmIHere]

Indeed but at the same time we have pretty clear feedback, we want our speed back, many DRK hate new delirium, lack of combos and lack of sinergy between our skills/gauge/MP. Many ask for a closer HW version, doesn't mean bring back HW but design the job around by vote the best version by far of DRK, in other words make DRK feel like the old days and work around that.

*Give DRK haste back in some way
*Increase the MP generation to make DRK have more things to use inbetween burst windows
*If Delirium is to be a clone of Inner Release, give it something to stand out from IR. Not just "guarantee'd Direct/Crits," something fitting to DRK's fantasy/gameplay lore.
*spamming Bloodspiller in Delirium windows is not adequate a substitute for having one GCD combo
*reconnect interplay between MP and Blood. Making TBN no longer give 50 blood but now "Darker Arts" proc is nice, but nothing is there to replace what was taken
*Living Shadow does not interact with the rest of the job kit. Great for job lore, meh for gameplay lore

What's being asked for, by normal means, doesn't appear too unreasonable. But saying "SE's rework is not good enough, do it again" and expecting them to address this before 6.0? Or even in the midst of 5.x? Sure a precedent has been set with WAR in all of 4.x, but for all of 4.x DRK languished, and this 5.0 kit is the result.

I'm not holding my breath.

[shao32]

You know, I will love if delirium make 5 skills become a combo, like stalwart soul-quietus-syphon-souleater-bloodspeiller (we have so lite GCD it's just ugh) and make it generate more MP and blood or idk whatever, so at least it's not spam the same skill all the time. With recovering the speed on blood weapon and reducing the recast of delirium will become much more better.

[WhyAmIHere]

You know, I will love if delirium make 5 skills become a combo, like stalwart soul-quietus-syphon-souleater-bloodspeiller (we have so lite GCD it's just ugh) and make it generate more MP and blood or idk whatever, so at least it's not spam the same skill all the time. With recovering the speed on blood weapon and reducing the recast of delirium will become much more better.

Or, "removes the Blood cost of fitting abilities, and weaponskills can be used as if their combo potency/effects would activate"
need snap healing? 5 soul eaters.
want mana? 5 syphon strikes.

spitballing ideas.

[shao32]

Or, "removes the Blood cost of fitting abilities, and weaponskills can be used as if their combo potency/effects would activate"
need snap healing? 5 soul eaters.
want mana? 5 syphon strikes.

spitballing ideas.

Will end being 5 bloodspillers all day, at least for now combo soul eater will have 400p Vs 550 saddly except everything have the same potency and still with be equally brainless.

[WhyAmIHere]

Will end being 5 bloodspillers all day, at least for now combo soul eater will have 400p Vs 550 saddly except everything have the same potency and still with be equally brainless.

Eh.
I mean, I'm no combat encounter designer or nothing, but idk. Part of me feels like SE wants DRK and WAR to be the "heavy hitting" of the tanks, but they struggle to come up with a way to make that work while still maintaining that WAR has highest DPS. The whole "now DRK can spam bloodspiller 5 times! For free!!" is their first attempt to solidify that design mentality.

[Danelo]

Lyth made a great point on one of the other like threads...
"Do you want to know one thing that a lot of people can agree on? SB DRK in AoE was pretty awesome. Pop TBN, negate some damage, gain some blood. Fuel that blood into Delirium, gain some more MP and blood through Blood Weapon. Use Quietus to convert some of that blood to MP, and steal back some more blood while you're at it. Pour that MP into Abyssal Drain. Too much MP? Blow some off into DA Dark Passenger, or maybe DA Quietus. HP getting a bit on the low side? DA Abyssal Drain, back up to full. But don't worry. TBN is back again, and you're taking no damage. It's an endless alchemy of HP, MP, and blood that flows from one form to another, defying the law of equivalent exchange at every turn. Do you know what was the biggest failing of SB DRK? You couldn't do this in single target.

In fact, I daresay that if you could make this happen in Shadowbringers, even Living Dead wouldn't feel as bad."

SE, stop ripping away skills/rotations that were fun, engaging and effective. Build on the things that worked (for DRK, not WAR) instead of throwing sh** on the wall and seeing what sticks with what's left of the DRK community.

[FallenWings]

Eh.
I mean, I'm no combat encounter designer or nothing, but idk. Part of me feels like SE wants DRK and WAR to be the "heavy hitting" of the tanks, but they struggle to come up with a way to make that work while still maintaining that WAR has highest DPS. The whole "now DRK can spam bloodspiller 5 times! For free!!" is their first attempt to solidify that design mentality.

What if WAR wasn't the highest DPS for once.

The class surely doesn't even deserve it considering its lopsided burst which only ends up eclipsing the other tanks "superior sustain dps in a vaccuum" due to downtime, generally superior mitigation kit and overall ease of use and application.

It's about time they were stripped of such an "identity/utility" now that there are 3 other tanks and they all have adequate utility across the board.

[gman1311]

Well WARs damage isn’t that great, sure it has burst but it got no dots.