Viera Feet - Aren't they supposed to be digitigrade?

[JunseiKei]

The above image has the ankle at the blue part with the whole foot ending at the orange.

Viera's legs, and feet, fit the model of plantigrade, but wear stilletos in some official artwork. They look no different than a human woman wearing very high heels or sporting crazy-long toenails in some cases.

The Ronso from FFX, are digitigrade; they're never shown walking on anything other than their toes, though their legs aren't emphasized to look super animal-like (like the cat race in ArchAge). The Ronso do not compare to a human simply wearing heels - their whole leg is differently shaped and proportioned.

Then there's horses, that walk on their nails.

[AnimaAnimus]

Either way, you all got Viera so you should be happy instead of nitpicking something that is of very little consequence that would have caused the designers hundreds of hours to go back and change every piece of footwear. It's not like head gear which we can easily do without.

Everyone wants more of this more of that and it all takes time, effort and money. I would have loved Hrothgar to have more Ronso like feet too but I completely understand why they don't and I', cool with that, because they didn't really have to give us new races at all. The simple fact SE took the time and put the effort into something they really didn't need to means they are trying to make their fans happy. Getting so uptight over something so trivial is really a waste of time. I would much rather they put that time into content instead of flippin shoes for bunny girls. Priorities need to be focused on what will be better for the overall game, and that is content, not a complete redesign of footwear for a single race.

You all need to make a nice cup of tea and relax. Seriously, this is a ridiculous thing to stress over. So tired of all the Viera controversy. You finally get what you have been asking about for years and its just been a long constant whine ever since.

[Videra]

You all need to make a nice cup of tea and relax. Seriously, this is a ridiculous thing to stress over. So tired of all the Viera controversy. You finally get what you have been asking about for years and its just been a long constant whine ever since.

People will whine about what they want to whine about, despite the fact that Scholar has been massacred.

[kidalutz]

People will whine about what they want to whine about, despite the fact that Scholar has been massacred.

Theres like fourty other threads regarding that let people have thier foot discussion and go to the others and post there.

[Rufalus]

I think their only option for adding races was to make compromises like this and basically have them mimick the proportions of an exisitng race for every body part except the head, and then the cost of having a unique head is not being able to fit all head gear unless a lot of additional work is done on every gear piece.

[Saix027]

After Au'ra, what do people expect really, i given up on races here, Hrotgar are Rhogadyn body types and Viera just stretched out Elezen, putting a tail and ears on something not makes it a new race.

I love this game but race design wise i call them lazy, i would rather have a beast tribe be able to be played as by now, because lets be honest, they always go with the "sexy" females and "buffed" males.

Same for the gender dilemma, i rather had one full race then this mix, its the same disaster with Blue Mage which i also blame the community for, they screamed for it and then we have this type of comments of "be happy we got it at all", no i am not happy with something halfbaked, just because it made it in the game not means its good and we can not critisize it. People need to stop defending such or else we get less and less unfinished things like this.

I know Yoshida and his team have it hard and have to finance themself also but critisizing things means we care also you know, i hate Square tho as company for not wanting to support them, just squeezing money out without wantign to invest any in this game, greed at its best like EA, yes i said that.

[Destati]

I was hoping, but not expecting or holding my breath that the devs would carry over these traits to FFXIV, especially with how much of a nightmare it would be to rework clothing models.
Regardless of it not being an in-game thing I've designed my Viera character to have those funky-looking feet and long fingers/nails because I'm rather fond of that additional inhuman edge it gives them as a race.

[JunseiKei]

I think their only option for adding races was to make compromises like this and basically have them mimick the proportions of an exisitng race for every body part except the head, and then the cost of having a unique head is not being able to fit all head gear unless a lot of additional work is done on every gear piece.

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Yeah, because male Miqo'te, Lalafell and Midlanders are buff and female Lalafell, Au Ra and Miqo'te aren't just cute.

When Heavensward was announced, along with the Au Ra, they had said then they didn't want to create a race that required drastically different bodies because that'd require every piece of gear they'd made to be altered. Having unique feet means needing to go back and putting in the work and resources to edit every piece of footwear created in the past and future. Currently, there are 1,358 uniquely ID'd footgear, set to raise in another 15 days. Or disable all gear on feet, but considering how people reacted with headwear not showing on Hrothgar and Viera, this seems unacceptable via a vocal group. Same for two single-sex-playable races; there were two groups asking for two different things. SE wanted to attempt to please both. That turned out to not be enough for a vocal group. In the end, I hold the belief SE should have stuck by their original statement of Au Ra being the last playable race because clearly the playerbase is being extremely ungrateful and highly entitled. This is not on the same scale as a system in the game breaking or an unintended bottleneck early in an expansion (looking at you SB's Raubahn). Or the dozens of fetch quests stuck in ARR content that greatly diminished the feel of being a 'champion of the people' and "Hydaelyn's Chosen." This is an aesthetic choice.

Blue Mage is much of the same thing. The playerbase kept asking for something, despite the developer saying, "No, I don't think this would work in the confines of XIV." People kept asking and asking and asking. Finally, Yoshida gave in and gave us what he felt was staying true to the identity of the job, but it's own thing because the identity of the job doesn't mesh well with the main game. I can't fault him for the logic - it makes sense. However, Blue Mage is both OP and incredibly lackluster. Playing level 50 content in a normal group with a BLU in the group quickly shows that the job is actually very strong when running with other classes locked at the same level (even with better gear that's been synced down and still gaining stat caps that weren't really possible at that ilevel cap). I just felt more than a little mislead by the presentation that was given when they showcased the job.

I still continue to get irritated by people that think placing meshes on models is as easy or painless as the [second] quote may imply. That or the person I quoted simply didn't even think about it - which is just an even worse thought seeing as they go on to talk about SE squeezing money out of the game on the same level as EA. SMH.

[Enla]

I still continue to get irritated by people that think placing meshes on models is as easy or painless as the [second] quote may imply. That or the person I quoted simply didn't even think about it - which is just an even worse thought seeing as they go on to talk about SE squeezing money out of the game on the same level as EA. SMH.

This. Regardless of how you look at it SE is perfectly within their rights to look at the amount of work proper digitigrade feet would bring to the table and say 'no' to the prospect. Especially when Viera have never had them in the first place barring concept art.

Making meshes and applying textures isn't simple work. At least not when one wants to do it with any amount of standards and en-masse. As I stated in previous pages it's precisely the reason why Bethesda changed the Khajiit and Argonian models between Morrowind and Oblivion from digitigrade to plantigrade, and they had far less armor to rig than SE currently has to contend with. It's a lot of work and more often than not companies like Bethesda had to simply say 'no' to half of said work because it was too much to take on. Those Beast Races in Morrowind? They couldn't wear boots. It's not even that they rigged new meshes and textures for every set and just didn't want to do it again. They flat out had trouble doing it and switched models for the next game to avoid the same hassle.

Well someone might be saying, that was then and this is now? Maybe work flow has become easier as developers have streamlined a lot of the development processes due to new tools and a good deal more knowledge? Yeah except here's the thing. We have an analogue for this situation already in FFXIV that a lot of people are ignoring when they state how easy this would be to do - helms. The /only/ reason we're getting /some/ of the helms pre-baked into the expansion for Viera and Hrothgar is because the asset team took it upon themselves to crunch themselves in their off hours to do so. They didn't have the time or resources to do that within the bounds of company time, which is why the developers initially denied support for these items when both races were revealed. And this is just /helms/. Now imagine how compounded this would be if they had to work around legs and feet as well? We likely wouldn't be getting either new race in a timely manner if at all.

[heynowjose]

why would you guys expect anymore from two half-baked incomplete races? Hrothgar can't even change their hair without changing their whole face lol these races are a joke