WHY THO? - Glamour Log

[CazzT]

What they expanded was the static inventory, which most likely were hardcoded to be a size of 16... When something is hard coded it won't be something as simple as changing a value from 16 to 20. They had to go through every little thing that would access the inventory to ensure that nothing breaks or ends up where it shouldn't be. The difficulty to simply add 4 inventory slots would have been equal if not worse to implement than the inventory expansion we got in FFXIV, and considering wows age, it was definitely worse.

When they first addressed this as something they were truly looking into, that's when they said they could expand it without redoing all the code, but they would only be able to add a few slots. And they've only given a few slots so far.

Anything not tied to glamour plates still costs prisims.

WoW doesn't even have glamour plates, which is the entire point making by bringing that up. Plus, prisms are cheaper than dirt. Applying an appearance to a weapon in WoW, especially high level weapons, easily costs several hundred gold EACH TIME. Compare that with prisms, which you can get 99 of on the MB for about 20k when it's a seller's market.

And i would very much see an appearance system similar to WoW, GW2 and ESO where once you got a skin unlocked, you got it unlocked permanently. Think even Rift and LotrO got a similar system...

I would like to see gear unlocked for glamour like this, too. I just don't want to see them following WoW's example. It's among the worst in the industry.

I want to see some improvements to our glamour system, I just don't want WoW to be, in any way, something they pull ideas from. Use it as guideline of what not to do.

[linay]

I was so confused when they showed this. What was wrong with just a 360 rotation gif of items when you mouse over? You could use the MB for this. Why use all those ressources towards this feature. So odd.

Am I missing something?

You can use the MB to preview items that you don't have yet?

[Seoulstar]

....The new system has literally nothing to do with owning a house. You don't have to own one to use that system. And FC rooms and apartments are a thing so that's not even a good argument.

It appears I was misinformed then..my apologies.

[Berethos]

No need to visit a dresser, all features are available anywhere.

Are you aware that the WoW system requires you to access a specific NPC in a specific city to actually apply the gear appearance, so the features are not exactly "available anywhere"?

WoW doesn't even have glamour plates, which is the entire point making by bringing that up. Plus, prisms are cheaper than dirt. Applying an appearance to a weapon in WoW, especially high level weapons, easily costs several hundred gold EACH TIME. Compare that with prisms, which you can get 99 of on the MB for about 20k when it's a seller's market.

Can even get prisms for GC seals, so don't need to drop a penny of gil.

Also, there's the whole having to spend several hundred gold for transmog at only specific locations in the world - can only use the system via certain NPCs, after all. The appearance log can be used and previewed anywhere, which is fantastic - the actual glamouring of gear in that game is a restrictive mess (gear below greens, with rare exceptions, cannot be used last I checked) where they even saw fit to move hiding your helm as an option from the menu (accessible anywhere) to the transmog NPC only...and it has to be redone when you get a new helm/hat. So yeah, you're right...the actual system that game uses is not good overall.

Tracking all the appearances you've unlocked? Fantastic. Making you do something we do with a click of a button on the character panel anywhere we choose (hiding your head gear) at only one of a few specific locations? Asinine.

If this game is going to overhaul the glamour system into a better option, it really needs to look at something GW2, not WoW.

[Callinon]

Are you aware that the WoW system requires you to access a specific NPC in a specific city to actually apply the gear appearance, so the features are not exactly "available anywhere"?

Unless you have the mount that contains that NPC. Then you can access it anywhere you can summon a mount. Effectively anywhere in the world.

[Berethos]

Unless you have the mount that contains that NPC. Then you can access it anywhere you can summon a mount. Effectively anywhere in the world.

With a couple notable caveats. You have to get to Pandaria and drop 120,000 gold on it. Maybe 40% of players actually have one.

So yeah, less than half of the players can currently access it, but it wasn't available immediately and takes some doing to access (it also didn't get the transmog function until a couple years after it was added, and that was only after they removed the original NPC that served as a Reforge NPC). So that "effectively anywhere" probably needs a nice little asterisk next to it.

Of course, there's also the scaling gold cost that comes with it every time you want to use it - outside of the appearance log tracking everything you've unlocked, it's an inferior system to even the one we use.

[EaMett]

You can use the MB to preview items that you don't have yet?

No but my point was that they could have very easily added a rotating gif to the preview window. That would've been a huge improvement and help with 99% of the user cases. Instead they spent what seems like considerable manpower to make the tool they showed in the LL.

[Callinon]

With a couple notable caveats. You have to get to Pandaria and drop 120,000 gold on it. Maybe 40% of players actually have one.

So yeah, less than half of the players can currently access it, but it wasn't available immediately and takes some doing to access (it also didn't get the transmog function until a couple years after it was added, and that was only after they removed the original NPC that served as a Reforge NPC). So that "effectively anywhere" probably needs a nice little asterisk next to it.

Of course, there's also the scaling gold cost that comes with it every time you want to use it - outside of the appearance log tracking everything you've unlocked, it's an inferior system to even the one we use.

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here except "Ra! Ra! FFXIV!"

WoW's transmog system is better than FFXIV's glamour system in just about every measurable way. You shouldn't feel like this is some kind of attack here, it's just a fact.

120k gold was a lot at the time, not so much now. 40% of players having a mount like this IS a sizable portion of the playerbase. Also that was a really good guess if that was a guess. https://www.worldofwargraphs.com/global-stats/mounts says 39.3% of players own that mount.

Beyond the mount though transmogs are easy to apply in any city, cost peanuts, are saved per character and per specialization (which means the same piece of gear will have a different transmog applied when you change specs), and oh yeah the appearance collection is still a thing.

It's ok for WoW to have a better system, but it should be a model for how FFXIV can do better in this regard.

[Berethos]

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here except "Ra! Ra! FFXIV!"

WoW's transmog system is better than FFXIV's glamour system in just about every measurable way. You shouldn't feel like this is some kind of attack here, it's just a fact.

120k gold was a lot at the time, not so much now. 40% of players having a mount like this IS a sizable portion of the playerbase. Also that was a really good guess if that was a guess. https://www.worldofwargraphs.com/global-stats/mounts says 39.3% of players own that mount.

Beyond the mount though transmogs are easy to apply in any city, cost peanuts, are saved per character and per specialization (which means the same piece of gear will have a different transmog applied when you change specs), and oh yeah the appearance collection is still a thing.

It's ok for WoW to have a better system, but it should be a model for how FFXIV can do better in this regard.

I shouldn't have to pay an escalating gold cost for higher level gear - we don't here, and we don't in GW2.

I shouldn't have to rely on either going to a specific NPC (which the majority of players still have to do - 40% may be sizable, but it is not the majority) or saving up the gold to get a specific mount (the "it's not a lot of gold anymore" argument is cute when both the actual statistics show how the majority still don't have it, and when you consider how generally bad most players are at making gold - for many 120k is still going to be a significant chunk of change to perform an action we can do in GW2 and in FFXIV just about anywhere, and in the latter you don't even need to spend gil to do so).

The glamours are easy to apply here too - right click, choose cast glamour, select item appearance you want. Oh, and you can do it anywhere. In a dungeon? Sure. In your house? Sure. In a random spot in a random zone? Go ahead. None of this having to get back to a city stuff (which, if your hearthstone isn't set there, requires a couple extra steps).

It's more restrictive and more expensive to use. You can't transmog white quality armor or weapons. They intentionally block items from being used because they are "too silly." You can't transmog to or from legendary items, even the old and outdated ones from years ago. You can't bloody hide/unhide your helm without owning the 120k gold mount or going back to the city to do so.

Edited to add: Almost forgot this one - they block transmog to holiday seasonal items to the time period of the holiday. That lovely black dress from the Valentine's event? Only to be used during that two(ish) week period, cause Blizzard says so.

Outside of the superior appearance log tracking, how is that in any way superior in "just about every measurable way"?

Also, if you'd bothered to read the rest of my earlier post (the one just above the first time you quoted me), you'd know that this isn't about going cheering on how XIV does it and instead pointing out where WoW's version sucks more than ours (which is mostly a response to those saying this game needs to copy that game's approach) and how they need to look to a game that does it better than both - namely GW2.

[Shougun]

I shouldn't have to pay an escalating gold cost for higher level gear - we don't here, and we don't in GW2.

I shouldn't have to rely on either going to a specific NPC (which the majority of players still have to do - 40% may be sizable, but it is not the majority) or saving up the gold to get a specific mount (the "it's not a lot of gold anymore" argument is cute when both the actual statistics show how the majority still don't have it, and when you consider how generally bad most players are at making gold - for many 120k is still going to be a significant chunk of change to perform an action we can do in GW2 and in FFXIV just about anywhere, and in the latter you don't even need to spend gil to do so).

The glamours are easy to apply here too - right click, choose cast glamour, select item appearance you want. Oh, and you can do it anywhere. In a dungeon? Sure. In your house? Sure. In a random spot in a random zone? Go ahead. None of this having to get back to a city stuff (which, if your hearthstone isn't set there, requires a couple extra steps).

It's more restrictive and more expensive to use. You can't transmog white quality armor or weapons. They intentionally block items from being used because they are "too silly." You can't transmog to or from legendary items, even the old and outdated ones from years ago. You can't bloody hide/unhide your helm without owning the 120k gold mount or going back to the city to do so.

Edited to add: Almost forgot this one - they block transmog to holiday seasonal items to the time period of the holiday. That lovely black dress from the Valentine's event? Only to be used during that two(ish) week period, cause Blizzard says so.

Outside of the superior appearance log tracking, how is that in any way superior in "just about every measurable way"?

Also, if you'd bothered to read the rest of my earlier post (the one just above the first time you quoted me), you'd know that this isn't about going cheering on how XIV does it and instead pointing out where WoW's version sucks more than ours (which is mostly a response to those saying this game needs to copy that game's approach) and how they need to look to a game that does it better than both - namely GW2.

Personally I like WoW's more (it's better for how I'd use it, as WoW's log size is significantly larger), but I also don't feel the need to change my gear that often (and am more interested in the vastly larger log in WoW).

That said I could see those restrictions in WoW being very annoying to some people though, so in that let's take the best from all the MMOs :3.

(Easy to use and access, well organized, huge storage, many costumes setups (plates), etc).