We are in need of a official response to the healer situation

[Sebazy]

I don't know why everyone is saying 4.0 WHM is a failure. It's my main and I enjoy it a lot.

It wasn't a failure, especially not at 4.0.

However, it's important to remember that of all the new kit WHM got with SB. All but one of those abilities were almost entirely forgettable when the expac hit. Thin Air was a powerhouse right from the word go and honestly that one cooldown carried WHM for the entire expansion. The rest of the kit was barely worth the screen real estate it took up and this was the case for far too long.

An Expansion where you literally may as well not bother to hotkey most of your new abilities is a failure imho.

*edit* I should probably also note that whilst WHM wasn't a failure on 4.0 dropping. SCH most certainly was. I stand by my comments at the time that whomever it was that signed off SCH going live in the state it did needs to be kept well away from touching any job or class ever again. Clearly that didn't happen though eh? =(

This whole mush kind of reminds me of the situation Everquest's Shaman found itself in somewhere around the Planes of Power/Dungeons era where an entire new level cap toolkit was quite literally a cut and paste of the previous tier, to the point where Verant/SoE actually forgot to modify the wording in the tooltips and left the old names in there to really rub it in. It was probably a good thing that they didn't have an official forum back then =(

[Feidam]

"I dont like to see any negativity around here, so please leave"
No, that is not healthy for discussion or the game.

And that is not what was said. Discussing things is one thing. Posting about a game being on the road to failure is another or calling the devs names is not discussing anything.

[Deceptus]

I mean can you list reasons that make you happy with the game?

I absolutely can and that's why I stay subscribed.

I think this game is a wonderful value for the price I pay.
I absolutely love the fact I can level multiple jobs on one character and not have to make alts if I don't want to (why I moved over from World of Warcraft)
I love the steady stream of content.

But with all the things I love about this game, I'm not going to give the developers a free pass when there are glaring issues because ultimately that doesn't help the game. I'm going to be vocal about them because they need fixed and staying quiet and saying "lets wait" isn't good enough for me.

[Feidam]

It wasn't a failure, especially not at 4.0.

However, it's important to remember that of all the new kit WHM got with SB. All but one of those abilities were almost entirely forgettable when the expac hit. Thin Air was a powerhouse right from the word go and honestly that one cooldown carried WHM for the entire expansion. The rest of the kit was barely worth the screen real estate it took up and this was the case for far too long.

An Expansion where you literally may as well not bother to hotkey most of your new abilities is a failure imho.

This whole mush kind of reminds me of the situation Everquest's Shaman found itself in somewhere around the Planes of Power/Dungeons era where an entire new level cap toolkit was quite literally a cut and paste of the previous tier, to the point where Verant/SoE actually forgot to modify the wording in the tooltips and left the old names in there to really rub it in. It was probably a good thing that they didn't have an official forum back then =(

Even then so many continue to enjoy the WHM so I say it has more mixed reviews. The biggest complaint was the lily system. Which didn’t make much sense based on how the class is played, but you could play around with the lily system to get more assizes etc. not sure that was overly efficient though.

However, I agree with you in that their additions really didn’t mean much excluding Thin Air. Amazing ability as you said.

[Sebazy]

Even then so many continue to enjoy the WHM so I say it has more mixed reviews.

The power of it being the iconic FF healer job coupled with it being the most vanilla of all the healers. The fact that so many people clung onto the job in Creator when it truly was at it's lowest speaks for it's appeal really.

I actually had a pretty good system for abusing the Lily Assize CD reduction in dungeons and got some rather bonkers DPS numbers with it. It's safe to say I'll be doing the same with Misery

[Feidam]

I absolutely can and that's why I stay subscribed.

I think this game is a wonderful value for the price I pay.
I absolutely love the fact I can level multiple jobs on one character and not have to make alts if I don't want to (why I moved over from World of Warcraft)
I love the steady stream of content.

But with all the things I love about this game, I'm not going to give the developers a free pass when there are glaring issues. I'm going to be vocal about them because they need fixed and staying quiet and saying "lets wait" isn't good enough for me.

Awesome! Not that it means much , but that does make me happy. I love when people enjoy what they are doing. Also, I’m all for posting your displeasure. however, I do think it should be measured and concise as that tends to affect more change.

[Feidam]

The power of it being the iconic FF healer job coupled with it being the most vanilla of all the healers. The fact that so many people clung onto the job in Creator when it truly was at it's lowest speaks for it's appeal really.

I actually had a pretty good system for abusing the Lily Assize CD reduction in dungeons and got some rather bonkers DPS numbers with it. It's safe to say I'll be doing the same with Misery

I’m tempted to whm myself just for misery. It just looks self satisfying.

[Yuyuka3]

I mean can you list reasons that make you happy with the game?

I love the story and the lore of this game. I love how beautifully designed the areas are, and how characters, including your own, develop ever more depth the farther the story goes on. I also cherish the bonds I made with the (real) people I met here, many of which I know personally from Fan Festivals and other events. There are the things that actually keep me ingame.

However, that doesn't mean I have to like everything that is in this game, or everything the developers do. And that doesn't mean I won't call them out on their bullshit, as I would literally every other person on this planet. I don't pull favorites in that regard at all.

I’m tempted to whm myself just for misery. It just looks self satisfying.

You find loosing out on damage self-satisfying?

[ForteNightshade]

Even then so many continue to enjoy the WHM so I say it has more mixed reviews. The biggest complaint was the lily system. Which didn’t make much sense based on how the class is played, but you could play around with the lily system to get more assizes etc. not sure that was overly efficient though.

However, I agree with you in that their additions really didn’t mean much excluding Thin Air. Amazing ability as you said.

Switch AST and WHM, and you have a dead job. As Sebazy said, WHM lives off being iconic. Look no further than MCH to see a job without an iconic status and how it languishes. Granted, WHM doesn't have nearly as much issues with its gameplay MCH does but also doesn't have to deal with as much competition.

As for your earlier post. You can play and enjoy something while being critical of its faults. If we all remained silent, then we're guaranteed to never see the changes we hope occur. By constantly remaining vocal, there is at least a chance the dev team acknowledges them and works to make improvements. I see that better than the alternative where certain jobs suffer, especially as you dabble into harder content. You just have to ask the WHMs how many times they were asked to play AST.

[Feidam]

*edit* I should probably also note that whilst WHM wasn't a failure on 4.0 dropping. SCH most certainly was. I stand by my comments at the time that whomever it was that signed off SCH going live in the state it did needs to be kept well away from touching any job or class ever again. Clearly that didn't happen though eh? =(
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Ugh scholar at 4.0 launch was painful and overly nerfed.