Feeling punished for having alts...

[Niwashi]

Personally I want all collectables (mounts, emotes, minions, etc), achievements & glamour made account wide. I have quite a few alts, but it's still just me behind the wheel spending all that time on them.

They have to account for the fact that not everyone sees that the same way. You might like them shared, but I wouldn't want them to be. My characters have done different things, earned or obtained different things, so should have different things.

The biggest reason why I like playing multiple alts in the first place (and the reason why just fantasia-ing to another wouldn't work) is that I really do see them as different characters with different personalities and experiences. Having all their achievements and rewards shared would really detract from that, ruining a significant portion of the game for me. And it doesn't seem like the sort of thing that could easily be offered on a purely optional basis, to satisfy us both.

I would, however, like a better option for transferring unbound tradeable items between them. It's annoying that it's easier to trade with a complete stranger than it is with our own alt characters, and that wouldn't interfere with the in-universe view of them as being different people.

[Dustytome]

They have to account for the fact that not everyone sees that the same way. You might like them shared, but I wouldn't want them to be. My characters have done different things, earned or obtained different things, so should have different things.

For achievements you could always have the account level and then an individual character check mark for the character to earn. For mounts and such I'm usually picking and choosing which character they best fit on to go for it, but when you have things like "collect all X mounts to gain Y mount" that can cause an issue spreading them out. In addition it means that if I want a rare item on more than one character (such as the mount from one of the msq dungeons), I'm adding more competition against other players that may not have gotten it on any of their characters. That can be particularly painful with as rare as SE makes a lot of the non-gear drops. As someone that was around when WoW changed to account wide systems, it is so much more relaxing and customer friendly to be able to access items that have been earned across all your characters, especially those items that can no longer be obtained or are just far too time consuming to repeat multiple times.

I don't expect this mmo to ever get to that point though. It feels like they've coded themselves into a corner with a good chunk of the game and a lot of the features/QOL requests are more something for them to take note of for future products.

[galbsadi]

The weird part is that this is already allowed by making them tenants. We can share our house with other players, but can't share it with our own alts.

I should've clarified a bit better here. Yes, you can have your in-game friends as tenants, and you can even give them certain levels of control over your house, but let's say for example that you and I are in-game friends and we go in on a house under my name...then I don't log in for the 45 days or whatever, despite you still doing everything to maintain your part of the tenancy throughout...house gets demo'd. I'd support a system that allowed us to share in such a way that either of us using it would keep timers reset, that we could both have equal rights managing, and that we could easily both "go in half" on the original purchase (rather than having to give all the gil to one of us to buy it).

[LilySkye]

>ffxiv
>having alts

lol

[Mezzoforte]

I think the whole point is they don't want to have to drop £5.75 to change up every time. An alt character is a time-consuming but otherwise free alternative to that.

I agree that there should be a shared bank between characters. Especially ones on the same World. But I can't see it being a priority. The game is designed to discourage alts.

So what you are saying is they want easy ways to bypass the way Square is making some extra money? Such as fantasia, story skips, etc? If those were easily skippable then what is the point of Square selling them? I think they are intentionally made annoying to encourage the purchase of said things. I don't think this is something players are going to win with as it takes money out of their bank. Even the holiday/event stuff not being shared is a way to get $ out of you by putting them in the shop later so you buy them for alts.

[SaberMaxwell]

They have to account for the fact that not everyone sees that the same way. You might like them shared, but I wouldn't want them to be. My characters have done different things, earned or obtained different things, so should have different things.

So don't equip your characters with the same titles, don't equip the same event gear, throw it away and pretend you don't have them. You can create the illusion they're separate entities even if achievements were shared across characters--meanwhile, since they're not, I cannot have what I want.

[Jojoya]

>ffxiv
>having alts

lol

I've got 3 characters. Then again I don't share the majority of the OP's complaints.

I have the alts to replay the story so the first complaint isn't relevant to me. A secondary benefit is having the extra gatherers when I need to do a bunch of farming of a timed node.

I don't see a point for a shared bank unless it's to make it easier to trade unbound items between alts (which I actually wouldn't mind though I've been able to work around it).

Achievements shouldn't be shared. This is a role playing game. Each character is his/her own separate person with his/her own separate accomplishments. One shouldn't get credit for what another has done, nor share in rewards for something the character hasn't done. Outside of going after legendary fish, I'm not finding anything especially time consuming in this game that I can't repeat it on an alt if I want the reward for that alt. As for fishing, I've solved that by only leveling fishing on one character.

No reason for seasonal items to be shared. It takes less than an hour to get through the seasonal events in most cases and earn the associated rewards. No more reason to share those items than to share achievements. If the concern is rewards requiring a cash payment at mogstation to obtain if an alt is created later, I'd rather see SE offer an in game way to get those rewards in later years. I still wouldn't want one character completing the event to automatically entitle all characters to the rewards.

SE said last summer they're working on the shared housing. Hopefully they'll have good news for us after launch.

Alts aren't mandatory to play the game, therefore no one is punishing us when we chose to create one to play. It's our free choice to make the alt or not.

[Niwashi]

So don't equip your characters with the same titles, don't equip the same event gear, throw it away and pretend you don't have them. You can create the illusion they're separate entities even if achievements were shared across characters

No, you really can't, because those achievements would no longer exist once the game regarded them as completed. You no longer have the chance to earn rewards once you already have them.

[ForteNightshade]

I can't see how you can say you are being punished. The entire game is built in way that you don't have to create alts, unless you wanted to play on a different data centre or with a different character look. Granted, i think housing should be shared across all of your characters on the data centre.

The thing is, even for story replay-ability they have created New Game Plus so more and more there is less incentive for us to create and play alts. Which to me can only be a good thing.

If you want to raid more regularly, alts are a must due to the loot system. If I've cleared already, any group I join loses a coffer which is why so many of this insist on two coffer runs. This makes it much harder to find groups hence alts.

Regardless, I don't think the OP's requests are unreasonable.

No, you really can't, because those achievements would no longer exist once the game regarded them as completed. You no longer have the chance to earn rewards once you already have them.

Okay. Slap a label on the achievement that says character x earned the achievement. Now you can RP your character didn't earn them while I can benefit from alts not being such a hassle.

[SaberMaxwell]

No, you really can't, because those achievements would no longer exist once the game regarded them as completed. You no longer have the chance to earn rewards once you already have them.

I guess that's just the gist of it then. Either you're unhappy or I'm unhappy; it's just the switch happens to be on me being unhappy. But please, enjoy earning "To Crush Your Enemies I" for the fifth time.