Nobody Really Wants To Heal

[Mezzoforte]

Firstly I've never played classic wow hence why I said why do "P.E.O.P.L.E." hence others that played the game besides me who had better stuff to do at the time.

Secondly I've done the research, the game offered more flexibility and customization with abilities, skills, and attributes as opposed to how it currently works today. You can be a mage of ice arcana and fire instead of being forced down one land.

Third, a terrible mess is Tera, Aion, Black Desert, XIV 1.0, and Bless. If the game was as clunky and as messy as you and numerous others claim to be then it wouldn't have become one of the most profitable and prosperous MMORPGS of all time "at the time"

My point still stands, nobody likes having stuff taken away from them even if it's one off clinker spells people just love to have variety with their tables.

Take it from a guy who played WoW since beta. Classic was extremely cookie cutter. The only people who thought there was variation in builds were people who didn't even step into a single raid. Each class was very strongly pigeonholed into very specific builds which each had maybe a variation within 1-3 talent points that were preference since they had to fill spots to unlock higher tiers and were irrelevant. Don't let the large amount of clickable things trick you into thinking there was any choice outside of "optimal" and "varying degrees of suboptimal."

Also, for the people complaining about they wouldn't heal if they had to "continually actively heal" it just shows that it isn't healers who want to dps are the real constituents here. It is DPS that want faster queues by playing a healer that almost never heals. Having to heal 24/7 nonstop is no different than a dps dpsing 24/7 nonstop. If you dont want to heal just play a DPS. Let healers be just that, healers. I don't really understand the whole "play your kit as it is designed" when that means nothing. Since the argument here is changing the kit to fit the style.

TLDR DPS dont want to heal but want to play healers for fast queues and not heal.

[Amnmaat]

There was no 'Git gud' anywhere in that post. Surprisingly, calling people out for not using their entire job kit is a good thing. Standing around doing nothing is bad play, and as said by Deceptus - benefits no one.

1. Makeda didn't say that they stand there and do nothing.
2. They said the git gud BS comes up whenever anyone wants healers to become more healer and less dps heavy

[Reiryuu]

With that out of the way, it's also why I don't see the loss of damage spells on healers as "nerfs": it's just been shifted over to DPS and (to an extent) tanks so they can do their job so healers aren't absolutely required to pick up the slack of DPS while doing their intended main task. Yes, they can still throw some damage spells out, but it won't be a requirement, and I think that's a good thing for both healer mains and players who want to pick up healing.

Fine. Then why can't we get some buffs? They have been purging WHM of any buffs? We just lost protect-- permantently this time. The DPS classes have all the buffs. If the healers are going full support, shouldn't we be getting more buffs?

Encounters in the days of Everquest took a long time. I enjoyed healing and didn't mind sitting on my ass while medding because I knew that when I was out of the blue stuff, my party was dead and my job was to sit on my ass and make that blue bar go up as fast as I could. But games these days are far more fast paced. There's no need to sit and med anymore. I want to *DO* something rather than just sit and watch. Even in EQ if I had plenty of MP I would nuke and stun and such. I don't want my damage to be factored in when they design encounters or bosses-- but according to SE that's never happened anyway. It's the time limit that they enforce on the encounters that make the necessity for as much damage as possible to be dished out. If all you do is heal heal heal and you run out of time when the boss is at 1%, would you not feel bad that you didn't or couldn't help push that 1%?

If SE wants healers to heal, then they have to make some effort to give on that time limit. Either allow healers to extend it somehow, or remove it completely and design encounters to be more attrition based. That is the one and only way you are going to get the mindset of "Damage is King" out of the players' minds. But the way this game is designed, that's going to be very hard to do. Resources come back quickly in FFXIV, so attrition is harder to enforce on the party without going overboard and basically making it a virtual time limit in the first place.

From what I've heard at E3 on Titania normal, it's a stressful healing-intensive mess. SE wants to remove stress on the healers by making them concentrate on healing, but love to make lots of movement with spread out party members and lots of healing needed-- just the thing that stresses healers out. I've heard very few parties were able to clear Titania normal at E3 on the first day. Is that a good thing? *shrug* Did they die because the fight was too healing intensive? Maybe, maybe not. If they did, that's going to place blame on healers-- a class that gets a lot of that already. You think newbie healers are stressing about having to do some damage? Wait until they get into content like this. I don't think it's going to be pretty.

[grinkdaboy]

i don't think healing would be so boring if there was actually more to it. mana management is a joke and barely ever factors into anything. everything is all DPS checks in raids. at the very most you have to make sure the tank doesn't die from a tankbuster and heal raidwide dmg

[Fellgon]

so...since no one going to heal ill do it, all healer loot will be mine!!

I dont care what's spell will be removed or added, its just cause no one whats it ill be a good one. Every mmo have its change, in every change we are going to re-learn to play.
Its no use compare this game to others mmo, because this game it is what it is.
And guees what? Life itself change everyday, dont expect things in game or real life be the same. If its not changed by love it will be by pain.

I expect this game have some dificult like darksouls somewhere in the game, so this way everyone will stop saying healing its easy.

[Fellgon]

i don't think healing would be so boring if there was actually more to it. mana management is a joke and barely ever factors into anything. everything is all DPS checks in raids. at the very most you have to make sure the tank doesn't die from a tankbuster and heal raidwide dmg

I think players see healing boring cause everyone today know how to play role, but ive meet some others who dont see healer role easy, and they dont know how to manage mana to last till boss death.

[Selova]

You sure do like to say claim alot. Alright then educate me, since your obviously the all knowing expert please tell me how I'm wrong. Also the last poster did not specifically say they played either.

So go ahead back up your "claims" ^_^ ♡

I'll gladly tell you how you're wrong, considering I've been playing the game for 14 years. There was no customization for how you played and you were pigeonholed into 1 spec for raiding and the only time as a healer or a tank you switched to your dps spec was for farming materials for flasks/potions/food/soul shards for said raids.


If you played a warrior you tanked, if you played a priest/druid/paladin you healed. The talent tree did not offer ways to customize since I know this is what you're referring to when it comes to classes not being limited or having customization.


You picked the same cookie cutter build to optimize the role you performed. You putting points into 1% more haste or %1 more crit wasn't even noticeable due to how badly gear was itemized with nonsensical stat lineups.


There wasn't this in-depth customization for how you played, specd or geared. You either did what was optimal or you were not a good player.


People often like to cherry pick their nostalgic memories they have and try to claim things were different from how they actually were except in your case you've clearly never played or experienced vanilla WoW so you're just spouting the same nonsense that people before you have regurgitated.


You dont get to make blanket statements like "People really dont want to heal." Just because you decided to browse the healer uproar on reddit or the healer forums for a few hours and you have no basis or evidence to back up these claims.


My advice: Stop making nonsensical threads with claims about how you think healers want to be played.

[zylo1010]

My wife actually prefers when the fights are healing intensive. She always says if she wanted to do she'd have leveled a dps.

[DeusOcha]

As a "WoW Refugee" I find it really funny Classic WoW is being heralded as an example of class diversity. Molten Core, 40man. If you have a healing spec you're a healer or you're not raiding. Period. Paladin? Healer. Druid? Healer. Priest? Healer. Don't get me started on Fire Mages.

Edit: Don't get me started on tanks either. You've a tank spec? Too bad. Only Warrior Tank is meta. And Warrior Tank meta persisted until WoW's 2nd xpac WotLK.

[gumas]

my experience with wow as healer is probably one of the worst i ever had in mmorpg.

found a party, when inside, still typing "hello" everyone just went on their way. like really on their own way, tank just charge ahead non stop, 1 DPS went to the left, the other 2 went to the right like wtf is going on? who should i follow?

i got left behind because everyone moving like their house is on fire, i was behind like 7 seconds and they start vote kick me out, loading screen, back to dungoen enterance.

seriously, wtf is happening lol. and i experience a similar stuff like that 3 times. delete the game, unsub it even though i still have 14 days left, back to FF14, never look other mmo again.