I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

[Kaethra]

First I would like to say, the ff14 community is one of the nices out there. Ppl talk and say hi, explain stuff if you are new to something they usualy arent mad if a mistake happens.
And I kinda get the reason behind the kicks, but I think its more damaging then helping. That person who just got kicked, wont improve in any way. Most of them will just keep going and worse, bc they had this experience, be even more stuck up to there point of view.
For me, I dont care what ppl are wearing. As long as we get to the end, im fine. If we start to die (no matter the gear of the movement) I just leave and seach for another group. Normaly that takes up to 5 trys and then Im out.

I think you read kick, and thought the worst.

In the case the OP pointed out, the person being kicked has done something regressive. So your average player, even your average newbie will understand their main stat. Even if they don't initially they will by the time they're in the areas the OP described (he said he gives true newbies a chance). But the players being kicked are not newbies.

They are working on their next few classes (meaning they've leveled one at least already) and using the wrong gear on the current one. They're doing this to bypass the Item Level requirements. Its almost borderline exploitative. They know what they are doing. And they are doing it at the cost of a group having to pull them through it. So this isn't about them learning and improving. They've learned the system, they're gaming the system to help themselves at the cost of the group. That's not a nice thing to do. Joining a group under false pretenses is never a good thing.

Now like me, you might not really care. To be honest, I don't care for kicking someone for wearing derpy jewelry. I really don't, its not on my list of priorities. I don't even look at peoples' gear unless they're wearing something that looks cool. But the OP has the right to play with those whom he wishes to play with. And if the other players in the group think its reason enough to kick. Then they may kick for it.

That applies to groups that want to kick for people wearing glamours they don't like. Playing races they don't like. Or any other 'dumb' reason. As I said before, this is a democracy, a dictatorship of the majority.

[Misao-Hana]

They are working on their next few classes (meaning they've leveled one at least already) and using the wrong gear on the current one. They're doing this to bypass the Item Level requirements. Its almost borderline exploitative. They know what they are doing. And they are doing it at the cost of a group having to pull them through it. So this isn't about them learning and improving. They've learned the system, they're gaming the system to help themselves at the cost of the group. That's not a nice thing to do. Joining a group under false pretenses is never a good thing.

Well, this is a argument that I can understand. To be honest, I wouldnt even notice such players - I would just assume they arent good at the rotation or something like that.
But to do it on purpose and being perfectly aware what they are doing - I get why they would get kicked.

[Kaethra]

Well, this is a argument that I can understand. To be honest, I wouldnt even notice such players - I would just assume they arent good at the rotation or something like that.
But to do it on purpose and being perfectly aware what they are doing - I get why they would get kicked.

As I said before, I don't check people's gear. So in reality I'm like you. I do have a friend who does check the party's gear and they get vocal in voice about it. I tell them to let it slide and they pretty much do. But who the hell am I to tell three people in a group that they should ignore it? My friend is one thing. Complete strangers having their own standards is another thing entirely. They ought to have their own choices to make. Whatever that is.