The Healer Double Standard

[Knoahl]

I think I clearly articulated what I thought was a double standard and instead of arguing against my positions, you post this tripe.

Everything you post across the various topics has no real value other than "No because reasons without actually listing anything".

lmao they cannot read it appears, love the quote about the pigeon, made me giggle.

I'm just going to sit here rolling my eyes when future live letters are like "Oh we didn't expect this to happen, we will fix it" as always. It's going to take some magic to change how healing works in a way the casuals won't cry. I mean remember when they nerfed the level 10 or so story quest because it asked you to bring an antidote against the void sent xD

whenever somethings been remotely pressuring, like vault etc or steps of faith (which wasn't hard anyways), people would end up complaining about it. not one casual fight doesn't allow for dps.... I can't speak for ultimate as I havn't really raided in Stormblood past O1s-O4s.

[Atlantasia]

lmao they cannot read it appears, love the quote about the pigeon, made me giggle.

I'm just going to sit here rolling my eyes when future live letters are like "Oh we didn't expect this to happen, we will fix it" as always. It's going to take some magic to change how healing works in a way the casuals won't cry. I mean remember when they nerfed the level 10 or so story quest because it asked you to bring an antidote against the void sent xD

whenever somethings been remotely pressuring, like vault etc or steps of faith (which wasn't hard anyways), people would end up complaining about it. not one casual fight doesn't allow for dps.... I can't speak for ultimate as I havn't really raided in Stormblood past O1s-O4s.

I've done both Ultimates in prog and and cleared every Savage they've had in SB while relevant, as long as my healing partner was on par with me there was plenty of downtime to DPS. None of the content currently is so difficult to heal, even in prog, that you cannot DPS unless your party is just awful all around (which is rare).

[Ilenya]

What kills me the most about those massive response threads is how an SE rep never even shows up to say, "Hey, we see you have some concerns and here's what we're planning to do" or "Here's is our thought process on why we did that"

Just doing that would help alleviate a lot of problems.

Oh, no, a SE rep did show up...That thread, if it is the one I think it is? That was forcibly created by squishing all the WHM threads into one and mass deleting a bunch of random comments between the threads. And then never responding to it.

[Yuyuka3]

lmao they cannot read it appears, love the quote about the pigeon, made me giggle.

I'm just going to sit here rolling my eyes when future live letters are like "Oh we didn't expect this to happen, we will fix it" as always. It's going to take some magic to change how healing works in a way the casuals won't cry. I mean remember when they nerfed the level 10 or so story quest because it asked you to bring an antidote against the void sent xD

whenever somethings been remotely pressuring, like vault etc or steps of faith (which wasn't hard anyways), people would end up complaining about it. not one casual fight doesn't allow for dps.... I can't speak for ultimate as I havn't really raided in Stormblood past O1s-O4s.

Yeeeaaaaah, got to love this "oh, we didn't see that coming despite our players being able to do so from the other side of the planet!"-bullsh*it... one would think they should learn after a few times, right? But no...
I did need a few tries to clear Steps (still did it day 1, though, so whatever), but not because it was too hard. It took that long because people were just too stupid to understand what they needed to do. So yeah, agree with you 100%.
Though I cannot remember the Vault being hard at all o.o
There was some damage going out, sure, but it really wasn't hard if you remembered the basics of this game, aka "don't stand in sh*t" and such. People s*ck more than I thought if they found the Vault hard...

[Ilenya]

There was some damage going out, sure, but it really wasn't hard if you remembered the basics of this game, aka "don't stand in sh*t" and such. People s*ck more than I thought if they found the Vault hard...

That's why the Vault was hard. If people didn't bother doing mechanics, the healer had to work overtime to keep people up...And people did a terrible job with the mechanics.

[MintnHoney]

What kills me the most about those massive response threads is how an SE rep never even shows up to say, "Hey, we see you have some concerns and here's what we're planning to do" or "Here's is our thought process on why we did that"

Just doing that would help alleviate a lot of problems.

The problem with this is that they're a proud Japanese company, Square Enix. I don't really remember the development team ever apologizing for having to revert any changes or going against what they'd previously stated what was going to happen, and, instead, I do remember them reverting changes and proudly proclaiming they were doing us a favor because of some issue they had just figured out over a period of time (during which, they tell the players they/we need more time with what they'd taken away/given us already to make sure that the design philosophy was alright in the content that they'd designed it for (implying that the design was only ever supposed to work for a specific content and none other, but they want us to suffer for their lack of actual playtesting), they tell the players to "get good," or they say absolutely nothing at all except "please look forward to it."). To be honest, I don't expect we'll ever see them make a public statement outside of the clearly-rehearsed live letters now, least especially outside of the far-too-apologetic Japanese forums.

In fact, with the e3 live letter coming up, apparently our last bit of news prior to Shadowbringers; if he even talk about the current dismay of healers, he's very much likely going to say something along the lines of "we see and hear you, but we urge you all to wait and see how it feels before you make a decision, look forward to it" like they have been.
And when it fails and blows up spectacularly in their face, because lazy healers won't be able to survive the content and competent healers are deathly bored, they'll try and claim that we're "working together" as a "community" to fix the problem, so that at least parts of the community will be pacified because they'll be made to feel that they're being listened to, and they'll return Miasma II, they'll bump up the power of Balance, and they'll add more overall potency to Assize, and call it good for the expansion.
Look forward to it.

Meanwhile, I'm talking like you haven't experienced this before, yourself, but let's let this sit and be a prophetic warning to those who haven't gone through this. I would enjoy being proven wrong, though.

[Yuyuka3]

The problem with this is that they're a proud Japanese company, Square Enix. I don't really remember the development team ever apologizing for having to revert any changes or going against what they'd previously stated what was going to happen, and, instead, I do remember them reverting changes and proudly proclaiming they were doing us a favor because of some issue they had just figured out over a period of time (during which, they tell the players they/we need more time with what they'd taken away/given us already to make sure that the design philosophy was alright in the content that they'd designed it for (implying that the design was only ever supposed to work for a specific content and none other, but they want us to suffer for their lack of actual playtesting), they tell the players to "get good," or they say absolutely nothing at all except "please look forward to it."). To be honest, I don't expect we'll ever see them make a public statement outside of the clearly-rehearsed live letters now, least especially outside of the far-too-apologetic Japanese forums.

In fact, with the e3 live letter coming up, apparently our last bit of news prior to Shadowbringers; if he even takes about the current dismay of healers, he's very much likely going to say something along the lines of "we see and hear you, but we urge you all to wait and see how it feels before you make a decision look forward to it" like they have been.
And when it fails and blows up spectacularly in their face, because lazy healers won't be able to survive the content and competent healers are deathly bored, they'll try and claims that we're "working together" as a "community" to fix the problem, so that at least parts of the community will be pacified because they'll be made to feel that they're being listened to, and they'll return Miasma II, they'll bump up the power of Balance, and they'll add more overall potency to Assize, and call it good for the expansion.
Look forward to it.

Meanwhile, I'm talking like you haven't experienced this before, yourself, but let's let this sit and be a prophetic warning to those who haven't gone through this. I would enjoy being proven wrong, though.

You put in words what I thought and said on this forum for a while now far better than I ever could. Thank you for that.

[Deceptus]

Stuff like this is why so many players think that the developers are absolutely disconnected from the player base and have no idea what they're doing or have poor team communication. It's not the first time Yoshi's been caught flat footed on what his team does.

Yoshi-P on Red Mages (2 part GIF):



Meanwhile on Scholar

[Kabooa]

Oh no.

Not Miasma.

[whiskeybravo]

I don't think that gif states anything definitive. It seems to me that if they stated that they don't like taking away abilities and nerfing stuff, then actually doing so should've been a monumental debate. For lack of a better set of words, I don't think they took gutting SCH lightly.

Although, they certainly haven't been 100% consistent on "bringing the bottom up" on everything, for the most part they seem to be following those ideals. They haven't straight up nerfed a whole lot of things, and in general most of the changes do in fact seem geared towards raising the skill floor.

And I'm not disagreeing with healers on this, particularly SCH - they got gutted af and no one can really deny that. It's just, I don't think they did it to spite anyone. Clearly they have a longer term goal in mind than most of the playerbase considers and we aren't exactly privy to what that is.