The reason we healers DPS

[CazzT]

So if you're not constantly healing, and you're not keeping the GCD rolling? I can only surmise that you're watching Netflix.

Yes, a healer is AFK if they're not either constantly healing or DPSing. Or you might as well be. Is it so much to ask that you contribute the bare minimum effort of remembering your ABC rule?

AFK = Away From Keyboard
It's clear you're just making stuff up at this point.

It is OK for someone to not do something with every GCD. As several have pointed out, anything short of EX/Savage isn't that big a deal. But people like yourself seem to think it's the end of the world if the Healer is not doing something with absolutely every single GCD. So which is it: non-EX/Savage is not a big deal or it's cutting edge and must be approached the same way EX/Savage content is? It can't be both.

[Legion88]

It is OK for someone to not do something with every GCD.

That for sure.
But what is it when unused GCDs are more than used GCDs?
Is this also OK or is it just lazy?
Where is the break point?
Also will you apply this rule to every role and job?
If not, why not?

[CazzT]

That for sure.
But what is it when unused GCDs are more than used GCDs?
Is this also OK or is it just lazy?
Where is the break point?
Also will you apply this rule to every role and job?

You're getting into min/max nitpicking that only matters in EX/Savage. In that content, every GCD matters. This goes back to what I just said: non-EX/Savage is not a big deal or it's cutting edge and must be approached the same way EX/Savage content is? It can't be both.

[Legion88]

You're getting into min/max nitpicking that only matters in EX/Savage. In that content, every GCD matters. This goes back to what I just said: non-EX/Savage is not a big deal or it's cutting edge and must be approached the same way EX/Savage content is? It can't be both.

That is not the answer to my questions and is in no point related to them.

I will ask you again, this time simplified: Are you okay with a player just using a skill every now and then?

[CazzT]

That is not the answer to my questions and is in no point related to them.

I will ask you again, this time simplified: Are you okay with a player just using a skill every now and then?

I did answer your question. You asked an irrelevant and rather asinine question in relation to this topic. With RDM being the only exception, DPS don't have heal spells they are expected to use, and even RDM is not expected to do so in regular content. The topic is about healers doing things that outside their role. During transition phases, RDM is not expected to heal. But there's this silly expectation of healers do things outside their role. That answers your question that isn't relevant to the topic.

[Shurrikhan]

You're getting into min/max nitpicking that only matters in EX/Savage. In that content, every GCD matters. This goes back to what I just said: non-EX/Savage is not a big deal or it's cutting edge and must be approached the same way EX/Savage content is? It can't be both.

The exclusion of healer DPS, especially in casual content, is more analogous to a melee refusing to use their combos than to subtle aspects of optimization.

Being literally idle or actively wasting MP is no more forgivable for a Healer than for a Tank or DPS. It doesn't matter if it's casual, Savage, or anything in between.
If you wouldn't be okay with DPS neglecting their Abilities (toolkit), taking breaks mid fight (idle time), and/or standing in stuff (wasting healer MP and by extension, further time), why would possibly forgive what amounts to the same in healers alone? That is a massive double-standard.

There is no "ABC" rule. Perhaps that is your personal expectation and opinion but bottom line is what another player is doing (or not doing in this case) is not your call. It's not against any rule. It's not a violation of TOS. It's not harassment. It's unreportable.

Not in the ToA, true. But it is a bare minimum guideline for not being a jerk to your team. Not every rule you ought follow should be due solely to threat of punitive legal measures.

[CazzT]

The exclusion of healer DPS, especially in casual content, is more analogous to a melee refusing to use their combos that to subtle aspects of optimization.

Except it's not. That's still part of the DPS role. DPSing is not part of the Healer role. If it was, the role would not be Healer, the role would be DPS or Support.

Being literally idle

This assumption really is old. When someone who is playing Healer says they don't always DPS, there's this overreaction of "omg teh healer doesn't dps at alls!!!!!"

or actively wasting MP is no more forgivable for a Healer than for a Tank or DPS.

It can easily be argued that using DPS skills as a Healer is wasting MP on skills that are not Healing.

It doesn't matter if it's casual, Savage, or anything in between.

But it does matter.

If you wouldn't be okay with DPS neglecting their Abilities (toolkit), taking breaks mid fight (idle time), and/or standing in stuff (wasting healer MP and by extension, further time), why would possibly forgive what amounts to the same in healers alone? That is a massive double-standard.

Except it's not a double standard. DPS are there to do damage. Healer is there to heal. It's not a double standard to expect DPS to do damage while not expecting Healer to also do damage. Healer is not DPS thus it's not expected.

Using your logic, and the logic of "healers should DPS", Tanks and DPS should be expected to heal as tanks and tank and heal as DPS. No one expects either to do those things. In fact, it's not uncommon for tanks and DPS to get yelled at when they try to do something outside their role. If you want to see a double standard, there's your double standard.

[Skivvy]

Using your logic, and the logic of "healers should DPS", Tanks and DPS should be expected to heal as tanks and tank and heal as DPS. No one expects either to do those things. In fact, it's not uncommon for tanks and DPS to get yelled at when they try to do something outside their role. If you want to see a double standard, there's your double standard.

A player should use the various skills in their toolkit when it would be beneficial to the group as a whole. Refusing to use certain skills because "it doesn't fit what I think this role should do" is not a good excuse.

[CazzT]

A player should use the various skills in their toolkit when it would be beneficial to the group as a whole. Refusing to use certain skills because "it doesn't fit what I think this role should do" is not a good excuse.

Then what's the poor excuse for DPS not tanking? What's the poor excuse for Tanks not healing?