They're just trolling SCH players now

[Tlachtga]

They say they're making the game simpler, why? Do they think their player-base is stupid and incapable of learning to finesse a job?

A quick trip to fflogs would confirm your suspicions. Or just using the Duty Finder anytime in the last 4 years.

[Truen]

A quick trip to fflogs would confirm your suspicions. Or just using the Duty Finder anytime in the last 4 years.

A tip from education: "Never dumb down your curriculum to the lowest baseline of understanding in your classes. Always leave room for growth; keep your standards high and students will eventually grow to reach them." SE are ruining what made these classes interesting and enjoyable; they're arguably the worst changes I've ever seen forced upon a job/class in any MMO I've ever played.

It reminds me of the mess Sony made to StarWars Galaxies in 2006 when they destroyed Jedi unlocks. The homogenization is so reprehensible it's hard to fathom they're actually going through with it.

[Tlachtga]

A tip from education: "Never dumb down your curriculum to the lowest baseline of understanding in your classes. Always leave room for growth; keep your standards high and students will eventually grow to reach them." SE are ruining what made these classes interesting and enjoyable; they're arguably the worst changes I've ever seen forced upon a job/class in any MMO I've ever played.

It reminds me of the mess Sony made to StarWars Galaxies in 2006 when they destroyed Jedi unlocks. The homogenization is so reprehensible it's hard to fathom they're actually going through with it.

It's not even close to the worst changes in an MMO lol. Calm down.

Also, you're only concentrating on the dps part. SCH's healing kit is still damn strong, and they still have Chain. You'll live. Just like WHM did two years when we got a bunch of skills taken from us, and given a trash job mechanic. And then wallowed in mediocrity behind Diurnal AST for the majority of the expansion...

Stop overreacting and drop the farm mindset; we don't know how hard the savage raids/ultimates are going to hit.

[Anoin]

It's not even close to the worst changes in an MMO lol. Calm down.

Also, you're only concentrating on the dps part. SCH's healing kit is still damn strong, and they still have Chain. You'll live. Just like WHM did two years when we got a bunch of skills taken from us, and given a trash job mechanic. And then wallowed in mediocrity behind Diurnal AST for the majority of the expansion...

Stop overreacting and drop the farm mindset; we don't know how hard the savage raids/ultimates are going to hit.

Oh thank god. I'm so glad that these aren't the worst changes in MMO history. Whew. /s

We all know that SCH's healing kit is strong. It obviously is. No one is complaining about it being "weak" and even if it was, it would be easy to buff it by changing a few numbers here and there. We are annoyed because the job is dumbed down, and therefore more boring for the people that were able to play it just fine until now.

"You'll live" yeah obviously everyone will want a healer that can line up Chain Stratagem with Trick Attack so SCH would still be meta even if the job was "weak".

"Stop overreacting and drop the farm mindset; we don't know how hard the savage raids/ultimates are going to hit. "

Stop telling people what to do if you are going to keep saying this. You are not adding anything to the discussion, you are only removing from it. These forums exist for us to give feedback about the game and I don't understand what you gain from telling people to stop giving feedback about things they like, or used to like, about the game. All you accomplish by doing this is coming off as self-righteous.

[Tlachtga]

Oh thank god. I'm so glad that these aren't the worst changes in MMO history. Whew. /s

Just a response to an overly dramatic post.

We all know that SCH's healing kit is strong. It obviously is. No one is complaining about it being "weak" and even if it was, it would be easy to buff it by changing a few numbers here and there. We are annoyed because the job is dumbed down, and therefore more boring for the people that were able to play it just fine until now.

This is not unique to SCH. Basically every job has been dumbed down in ShB.

You're also really overstating the difficulty of SCHs dps rotation. This isn't HW.

"You'll live" yeah obviously everyone will want a healer that can line up Chain Stratagem with Trick Attack so SCH would still be meta even if the job was "weak".

So you keep your guaranteed raid slot and powerful ogcd heals. THE SKY IS FALLING

"Stop overreacting and drop the farm mindset; we don't know how hard the savage raids/ultimates are going to hit. "

Stop telling people what to do if you are going to keep saying this. You are not adding anything to the discussion, you are only removing from it. These forums exist for us to give feedback about the game and I don't understand what you gain from telling people to stop giving feedback about things they like, or used to like, about the game. All you accomplish by doing this is coming off as self-righteous.

There's barely a discussion taking place lol

I think it is important to wait for the content to actually release before making judgements. It adds a lot to actual feedback. For example, something like this:

They removed a lot of skills from Scholar with Shadowbringers, and it was assumed that these changes would accompany a noticeable increase in damage output for ShB duties, and a change in fight design for high level duties. This hasn't been the case.

The damage output/fight design has not changed significantly as we hoped, and when paired with the removal of dps abilities, it has led to an extremely dull experience for SCH compared to previous expansions... ect.

sounds a lot better than "REEEEEEEEEEEE they took our skills"

[Fyce]

We are annoyed because the job is dumbed down, and therefore more boring for the people that were able to play it just fine until now.

While the complaint is fair, it definitly sounds elitist when you put it like that, as it immediatly raises the question: "yeah but, what about the people who weren't able/didn't like to play it until now?"
Defending the people who currently like the job is fine, but you should keep in mind how many people don't like it, and how much of a headache it is to deal with a healing job coming from a DPS class. If you do, you should be able to see why the upsides of changing the job seem more attractive than the downside of getting some people "annoyed". At least for SE and the future of FFXIV as a mainstream MMORPG with only 3 healers.

Stop telling people what to do if you are going to keep saying this. You are not adding anything to the discussion, you are only removing from it. These forums exist for us to give feedback about the game and I don't understand what you gain from telling people to stop giving feedback about things they like, or used to like, about the game. All you accomplish by doing this is coming off as self-righteous.

This seems out of place considering that a lot of people who said they were okay with the changes were shut down immediatly by others who didn't.

[Ilenya]

This seems out of place considering that a lot of people who said they were okay with the changes were shut down immediatly by others who didn't.

Maybe I've not seen the comments, but I've not seen people going after people *just* for being okay with the changes. Generally, it's people who go "I'm okay with them, and so should you be" that get shut down. Otherwise, it tends to be (Possibly poorly) attempts to explain why people aren't happy.