The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[van_arn]

So you kick the tank and then realize no new tank will be coming any time soon. But that's okay. You're a healer. You can just leave and re-queue.

And also leave the poor two DPSes that will need to wait in queue for another 20+minutes because you had a beef with a slow tank.

There's a name for people like you. But I don't feel like getting reported for saying it. I'm just going to stop talking to you.

The heck are you talking about. A ton of healers LIVE for healtanking because it's probably the most fun thing possible in normal modes.

Getting rid of the tank actually improves the gameplay experience for those remaining. It actually makes the encounters fresh again, and I've noticed bards in particular jump at the chance to kite mobs around. As soon as that tank gets kicked all three people in the party want to show just how useless that tank was by outdoing them.

It doesn't matter if a replacement tank never shows up again. It's more fun without one. Heck, it's better if the replacement tank shows up while the gate is up so they have to watch the samurai eat a buster and survive.

Yes, it's less "efficient" but if you're in a situation where you're kicking a tank for being slow you're not going to be speedrunning the dungeon with or without the tank. Might as well convert what could have been a speedrun (but with an uncooperative tank) into a novelty run.

At least you don't have to suffer the tank's ego.

[SoulEchelon]

The heck are you talking about. A ton of healers LIVE for healtanking because it's probably the most fun thing possible in normal modes.

Getting rid of the tank actually improves the gameplay experience for those remaining. It actually makes the encounters fresh again, and I've noticed bards in particular, jump at the chance to kite mobs around.

It doesn't matter if a tank never shows up again. It's more fun without one.

Yes, it's less "effecient" but the novelty of figuring out how to mitigate tankbusters without a tank more than makes up for boring cooldowns.

*Efficient, but good to know that if I ever see your name, the tank is going to be kicked the second they make a mistake because you'd rather have "fun" then let them have theirs.

[van_arn]

*Efficient, but good to know that if I ever see your name, the tank is going to be kicked the second they make a mistake because you'd rather have "fun" then let them have theirs.

As long as they don't mind being rescued into groups of mobs if they start to lag behind, they're safe. I'll even keep an exceptionally bad tank around if the tank acts like a whole new world is opening to them; some tanks don't even consider it might be possible for the healer to offtank until they see an obstinate one push them to see it firsthand.

Was so happy to see rescue is coming back in 5.0.

[SoulEchelon]

As long as they don't mind being rescued into groups of mobs if they start to lag behin-

Yeah you're definitely not a team player, and I'm done with this conversation.

[van_arn]

Yeah you're definitely not a team player, and I'm done with this conversation.

I'm very much a team player, since I can't kick without my team. And my teams understand exactly what I'm doing, why it works, and enjoy the novelty of fighting a tank's ego by styling on them.

That's why it's so easy to kick a tank once they start to balk.

[Hash_Browns]

Yeah you're definitely not a team player, and I'm done with this conversation.

IMO, seems like what you think is that the tank = team leader, which is not the case.

There is no I in tank, or team...

[SoulEchelon]

IMO, seems like what you think is that the tank = team leader, which is not the case.

There is no I in tank, or team...

IMO, seems like you like to assume things. The tank is supposed to lead the dungeon, yes. But it's a group effort. No one is the actual leader. The tank goes first because they're supposed to aggro everything. Stop putting words into my mouth.

Edit: You know what? I take that back. The tank IS the leader. They go in first. They initiate battle first. They dictate the run's flow. But that doesn't make them any more or less important than everyone else. And saying "there's no I in team" makes absolutely zero sense in anything that has been stated by me in this thread. All this time I've been advocating TEAM effort. TEAMwork. At this point you're just cobbling up buzzwords. A team leader works with the team. It is not all on their shoulders.

[Hash_Browns]

IMO, seems like you like to assume things. The tank is supposed to lead the dungeon, yes. But it's a group effort. No one is the actual leader. The tank goes first because they're supposed to aggro everything. Stop putting words into my mouth.

Edit: You know what? I take that back. The tank IS the leader. They go in first. They initiate battle first. They dictate the run's flow. But that doesn't make them any more or less important than everyone else. And saying "there's no I in team" makes absolutely zero sense in anything that has been stated by me in this thread. All this time I've been advocating TEAM effort. TEAMwork. At this point you're just cobbling up buzzwords. A team leader works with the team. It is not all on their shoulders.

Never put words into your mouth, said "it seems like what you think," which you then confirmed in your edit. You're taking this thread too personally. Honestly, you have come off as unnecessarily hostile through out the entire thread, and at points just down right insulting - all over the fact that I think a person who doesn't know the role they queued for should be removed from the party.

This discussion is going to go around in circles because you personally seem to see the tank and the end-all-be-all of the party.
They aren't & if more then 1 person has a problem with how the tank is tanking, then showing them the door is a fine option.

[Awha]

Yeah you're definitely not a team player, and I'm done with this conversation.

Maybe I simply do not know the meaning of being a team player but to me being a team player is working with the overall group. Just because someone is new that does not give them a free pass, if the group simply does not want to deal with a new player they are free to try and remove said player. Sure it is a dick move, but no one is obligated to teach or hold anothers hand through content.

I think they are being a team player, expecting certain concessions to be made because they are new to me is not being a team player. While I have not been forcibly kicked as a tank for being new I have been asked by a group if it would be okay if they removed me since they saw I was not very comfortable with larger pulls when I started. I simply left and apologized for holding them back. Willfully holding a group of strangers back either because one does not feel comfortable or lacks the experience since like a messed up thing to do. In my eyes that is.

[SoulEchelon]

Maybe I simply do not know the meaning of being a team player but to me being a team player is working with the overall group. Just because someone is new that does not give them a free pass, if the group simply does not want to deal with a new player they are free to try and remove said player. Sure it is a dick move, but no one is obligated to teach or hold anothers hand through content.

I think they are being a team player, expecting certain concessions to be made because they are new to me is not being a team player. While I have not been forcibly kicked as a tank for being new I have been asked by a group if it would be okay if they removed me since they saw I was not very comfortable with larger pulls when I started. I simply left and apologized for holding them back. Willfully holding a group of strangers back either because one does not feel comfortable or lacks the experience since like a messed up thing to do. In my eyes that is.

Rescuing a struggling team member no matter who they are into a mob of enemies is trolling and not being a team player. End of story.