The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[SoulEchelon]

I mean, yes the queues are great for me. So I have no problem with it being a rare(ish) role.

So you kick the tank and then realize no new tank will be coming any time soon. But that's okay. You're a healer. You can just leave and re-queue.

And also leave the poor two DPSes that will need to wait in queue for another 20+minutes because you had a beef with a slow tank.

There's a name for people like you. But I don't feel like getting reported for saying it. I'm just going to stop talking to you.

[Hash_Browns]

So you kick the tank and then realize no new tank will be coming any time soon. But that's okay. You're a healer. You can just leave and re-queue.

And also leave the poor two DPSes that will need to wait in queue for another 20+minutes because you had a beef with a slow tank.

There's a name for people like you. But I don't feel like getting reported for saying it. I'm just going to stop talking to you.

If the tank gets kicked, me & the dps continue the dungeon until we get a new one

[SoulEchelon]

If the tank gets kicked, me & the dps continue the dungeon until we get a new one

And if you don't get a new one by the time you get to a boss? Not only that, you just added yet more time to the dungeon, as you're now forced to do even smaller pulls and have even less dps going into each battle.

Kicking anyone just for not being up to your standards in speed, tank or not, is detrimental. Now if they're being blatantly bad and refusing to do mechanics, that I can agree with. But kicking shouldn't be a kneejerk thing. It should be the final resort. I never kick unless someone is being specifically interruptive, are afking, or have d/ced for a little too long.

[Awha]

And if you don't get a new one by the time you get to a boss? Not only that, you just added yet more time to the dungeon, as you're now forced to do even smaller pulls and have even less dps going into each battle.

Kicking anyone just for not being up to your standards in speed, tank or not, is detrimental. Now if they're being blatantly bad and refusing to do mechanics, that I can agree with. But kicking shouldn't be a kneejerk thing. It should be the final resort. I never kick unless someone is being specifically interruptive, are afking, or have d/ced for a little too long.

Cannot speak for others but for me is not so much about speed but the enjoyment. I simply do not have fun healing or tanking single pulls. If the run takes longer but I am having fun being a dps tank or healing a dps then for me it was a net positive. Granted I rarely ever queue without friends so my experience differs from the norm. In cases as you mentioned I would simply try with the group to kill the boss.

That is why I mentioned one could argue that 3 dps 1 healer probably is not that much slower or slower then a single pull tank 2 dps 1 healer group. Though admittedly my experience might differ since speed is not the primary reason why I like large pulls though it is a bonus.

[Hash_Browns]

And if you don't get a new one by the time you get to a boss? Not only that, you just added yet more time to the dungeon, as you're now forced to do even smaller pulls and have even less dps going into each battle.

Kicking anyone just for not being up to your standards in speed, tank or not, is detrimental. Now if they're being blatantly bad and refusing to do mechanics, that I can agree with. But kicking shouldn't be a kneejerk thing. It should be the final resort. I never kick unless someone is being specifically interruptive, are afking, or have d/ced for a little too long.

Once again. If I don't get a new tank, we pull the boss, and I heal during the boss. At least this way I feel like an actual healer instead of a green DPS who uses cooldowns every 30-60 seconds & regen.

It's not about tank making the dungeon take less time. It's about knowing you class & not wanting to deal with lazy people.
I ain't here to carry a tank that wants to watch netflix while they tank.

If you are in +50 content, and it isn't your first time in the dungeon, you shouldn't have trouble with your class.

[Yllania]

Just because a tank is taking a little more time than you do doesn't mean they are watching netflix no matter how much you want to project that on them.

Throwing a tantrum and kicking someone just because they dont play the exact way you want to is also really dumb if youre PUGing then deal with people being different they are not bots.

[van_arn]

Just because a tank is taking a little more time than you do doesn't mean they are watching netflix no matter how much you want to project that on them.

Throwing a tantrum and kicking someone just because they dont play the exact way you want to is also really dumb if youre PUGing then deal with people being different they are not bots.

If they're bad enough to get voted off the island, it doesn't matter why they're bad. They get voted off the island.

[Hash_Browns]

Just because a tank is taking a little more time than you do doesn't mean they are watching netflix no matter how much you want to project that on them.

Throwing a tantrum and kicking someone just because they dont play the exact way you want to is also really dumb if youre PUGing then deal with people being different they are not bots.

If you get kicked, it isn't just me who wants you gone for bad play. It's at least half the party.

[Awha]

Just because a tank is taking a little more time than you do doesn't mean they are watching netflix no matter how much you want to project that on them.

Throwing a tantrum and kicking someone just because they dont play the exact way you want to is also really dumb if youre PUGing then deal with people being different they are not bots.

A single person is not enough to remove someone, it requires two out of three remaining people to remove someone. By no means is anyone obligated to adjust to a single players desired play style, but if the group wants to do things a certain way have three choices adapt, try to remove the person unwilling to adjust or leave if it turns out your play style does not mess with your groups. Being removed is rarely personal or at the very least one should not assume removal is personal just view it as difference of play style and move on to the next group.

While it is nice to help a newer it does not mean people are obligated to help or go at their pace. Granted people rarely remove someone for being new, but even if it were to happen i do not feel the group would be in the wrong to do so. As people have said it is a group effort, if your group has certain expectations and they have the majority they are free to remove any player due to difference of play style, and that should not be taken personally.

[SoulEchelon]

Once again. If I don't get a new tank, we pull the boss, and I heal during the boss. At least this way I feel like an actual healer instead of a green DPS who uses cooldowns every 30-60 seconds & regen.

It's not about tank making the dungeon take less time. It's about knowing you class & not wanting to deal with lazy people.
I ain't here to carry a tank that wants to watch netflix while they tank.

If you are in +50 content, and it isn't your first time in the dungeon, you shouldn't have trouble with your class.

But you CAN have trouble with mechanics if you're new to the dungeon. It's not that hard to comprehend. We were all new to these things once. Stop being holier than thou and realize this. This goes double when you're doing public roulettes - especially the leveling ones. You're going to be put with new people, and they might not know how things work. As a healer you of all people should be trying to HELP them, not hurt them. And where in any of my posts did I say you should carry a blatantly afking tank? Did I say anything about "netflix" in any of my posts in this whole entire forum? I swear, for a healer your mentality is not very helpful.