Does anyone actually enjoy guildleves?

[Abriael]

Casuals did pay for the game, yes, but they shouldn't have.

Really? This game was specifically publicized and advertised as friendly to *their* playstyle. So maybe you shouldn't have

[Dubont]

Really? This game was specifically publicized and advertised as friendly to *their* playstyle. So maybe you shouldn't have

It was advertised as being more solo friendly, not "We have taken out EVERYTHING that a makes a MMO a MMO, and have made everything completely soloable to where a 5 year old could easily complete everything."

[Abriael]

It was advertised as being more solo friendly, not "We have taken out EVERYTHING that a makes a MMO a MMO, and have made everything completely soloable to where a 5 year old could easily complete everything."

Everything? You can still group. You will actually experience MUCH faster if you group both with leve linking and grinding. So they actually took out nothing.

[Dubont]

Everything? You can still group. You will actually experience MUCH faster if you group. So they actually taken out nothing.

Guild leves don't count because they are actually worse than grinding as far as exp over time goes. Also, I have yet to see people group up for leves outside of their LS. So yes, they have completely removed the need for group play in this game, aside from NMs, everything can be solod at a much faster rate than partying up. Leves, again, are the exception, but since you can only do 8 every 36, a party for 1 hour every day and a half is too casual and does not count towards group content at all.

[Abriael]

Guild leves don't count because they are actually worse than grinding as far as exp over time goes.

Not really. WIth leve linking you can easily outperform grinding.

Also, I have yet to see people group up for leves outside of their LS.

Here's one. And since I don't do it alone *by definition of group* there are several. According to simple statistics, if there are several that are known, there are also several you don't know.

Maybe you just don't look around enough. What can I say, maybe you should socialize more?

[Shadowskill]

I agree with one thing Abriael mentioned, we "need" many ways to go about ranking up. take ideas from WoW, FF11, other MMORPG's open the door to other options for the player base to work with. The casual player base will be a welcomed sight in the long run as will the "hardcore" that is what makes the game a community.

Nothing wrong with having many options. Gain SP through some Story based "quests" repeatable or not, encourage group activities whether it be grinding (like FF11). Leave the casual player base with a means that they can enjoy the game as well, we are not limited to having just one method to get the max rank. or enjoyment from the game.

We all have good ideas and opinions plus experience from previous games, lets help SE with ideas to help make the game what we desire, one thing this forum is good for.

The player base will choose what they feel is the best form of SP gain regardless how many avenues we are given, that should not limit us as a whole funneling the group to go one direction.

[darkstarpoet1]

Guild leves don't count because they are actually worse than grinding as far as exp over time goes. Also, I have yet to see people group up for leves outside of their LS. So yes, they have completely removed the need for group play in this game, aside from NMs, everything can be solod at a much faster rate than partying up. Leves, again, are the exception, but since you can only do 8 every 36, a party for 1 hour every day and a half is too casual and does not count towards group content at all.

i hate to disagree, but i see people grouping in adventurer guild and in the camps every reset. these are not ls and a few of the people in my static leve group are not in my ls either. we also allow anyone at the camps that are within 5 levels of us join in whether they are in our ls or otherwise as long as they have leves to run also. we will not allow people in the party to just leech though.

[Dubont]

Not really. WIth leve linking you can easily outperform grinding.



Here's one. And since I don't do it alone *by definition of group* there are several. According to simple statistics, if there are several that are known, there are also several you don't know.

Maybe you just don't look around enough. What can I say, maybe you should socialize more?

Actually no. Guildleves do not out rank grinding. Why? You can only do 8 leves every 36 hours. Let's say that you make..100k SP across those 8 leves, which is pretty normal in the late 40s. Well..that's 100k SP every 36hrs..
Now lets take grinding. If you grind for 36 hours straight, with a solid group and a good camp, you can make an easy 15k/hr. 15 * 36 = 540k sp every 36hrs. Grind > Leves, but only if you actually group up. If you solo grind, leves will be better, which is why no one grinds because no one parties to grind.

[darkstarpoet1]

Actually no. Guildleves do not out rank grinding. Why? You can only do 8 leves every 36 hours. Let's say that you make..100k SP across those 8 leves, which is pretty normal in the late 40s. Well..that's 100k SP every 36hrs..
Now lets take grinding. If you grind for 36 hours straight, with a solid group and a good camp, you can make an easy 15k/hr. 15 * 36 = 540k sp every 36hrs. Grind > Leves, but only if you actually group up. If you solo grind, leves will be better, which is why no one grinds because no one parties to grind.

you're acting as though for that 36 hrs that the only thing they do is those few hours for grinding. i hate to tell you most of us leve link for the battleclasses for fighting and grind crafts for the time between those. with the massive head start you get with the few hr leve party and the sp earned in between leve linking easily out performs straight grinding.

[Dubont]

you're acting as though for that 36 hrs that the only thing they do is those few hours for grinding. i hate to tell you most of us leve link for the battleclasses for fighting and grind crafts for the time between those. with the massive head start you get with the few hr leve party and the sp earned in between leve linking easily out performs straight grinding.

I'm just talking about battle classes, because let's face it, the crafting in this game sucks. So yes, Grind > Leves in terms of straight battle classes. You may get a higher craft class than me, but GL doing anything useful as far as battle goes with that crap lol.