Does anyone actually enjoy guildleves?

[Dubont]

Everything? You can still group. You will actually experience MUCH faster if you group. So they actually taken out nothing.

Guild leves don't count because they are actually worse than grinding as far as exp over time goes. Also, I have yet to see people group up for leves outside of their LS. So yes, they have completely removed the need for group play in this game, aside from NMs, everything can be solod at a much faster rate than partying up. Leves, again, are the exception, but since you can only do 8 every 36, a party for 1 hour every day and a half is too casual and does not count towards group content at all.

[Abriael]

Guild leves don't count because they are actually worse than grinding as far as exp over time goes.

Not really. WIth leve linking you can easily outperform grinding.

Also, I have yet to see people group up for leves outside of their LS.

Here's one. And since I don't do it alone *by definition of group* there are several. According to simple statistics, if there are several that are known, there are also several you don't know.

Maybe you just don't look around enough. What can I say, maybe you should socialize more?

[Dubont]

Not really. WIth leve linking you can easily outperform grinding.



Here's one. And since I don't do it alone *by definition of group* there are several. According to simple statistics, if there are several that are known, there are also several you don't know.

Maybe you just don't look around enough. What can I say, maybe you should socialize more?

Actually no. Guildleves do not out rank grinding. Why? You can only do 8 leves every 36 hours. Let's say that you make..100k SP across those 8 leves, which is pretty normal in the late 40s. Well..that's 100k SP every 36hrs..
Now lets take grinding. If you grind for 36 hours straight, with a solid group and a good camp, you can make an easy 15k/hr. 15 * 36 = 540k sp every 36hrs. Grind > Leves, but only if you actually group up. If you solo grind, leves will be better, which is why no one grinds because no one parties to grind.

[darkstarpoet1]

Actually no. Guildleves do not out rank grinding. Why? You can only do 8 leves every 36 hours. Let's say that you make..100k SP across those 8 leves, which is pretty normal in the late 40s. Well..that's 100k SP every 36hrs..
Now lets take grinding. If you grind for 36 hours straight, with a solid group and a good camp, you can make an easy 15k/hr. 15 * 36 = 540k sp every 36hrs. Grind > Leves, but only if you actually group up. If you solo grind, leves will be better, which is why no one grinds because no one parties to grind.

you're acting as though for that 36 hrs that the only thing they do is those few hours for grinding. i hate to tell you most of us leve link for the battleclasses for fighting and grind crafts for the time between those. with the massive head start you get with the few hr leve party and the sp earned in between leve linking easily out performs straight grinding.

[Dubont]

you're acting as though for that 36 hrs that the only thing they do is those few hours for grinding. i hate to tell you most of us leve link for the battleclasses for fighting and grind crafts for the time between those. with the massive head start you get with the few hr leve party and the sp earned in between leve linking easily out performs straight grinding.

I'm just talking about battle classes, because let's face it, the crafting in this game sucks. So yes, Grind > Leves in terms of straight battle classes. You may get a higher craft class than me, but GL doing anything useful as far as battle goes with that crap lol.

[darkstarpoet1]

I'm just talking about battle classes, because let's face it, the crafting in this game sucks. So yes, Grind > Leves in terms of straight battle classes. You may get a higher craft class than me, but GL doing anything useful as far as battle goes with that crap lol.

no i wasn't saying that crafting was great. what i said was that going by overall experience leves only take a few hours to complete then you have 30+ hrs left of the 36 hrs and that time can be used in any way you wish. be it battleclass or crafting.

you are also looking at by the end of a 36hr grindfest you are looking at you say 540k sp which is also 5th tier fatigue and only 50% sp gained per mob so at the end you may start off at 15k an hr but would be closer to 7500 at the end of that grind pahse.

[Dubont]

no i wasn't saying that crafting was great. what i said was that going by overall experience leves only take a few hours to complete then you have 30+ hrs left of the 36 hrs and that time can be used in any way you wish. be it battleclass or crafting.

you are also looking at by the end of a 36hr grindfest you are looking at you say 540k sp which is also 5th tier fatigue and only 50% sp gained per mob so at the end you may start off at 15k an hr but would be closer to 7500 at the end of that grind pahse.

True, but I also think that fatigue is a horrible feature and the bane of this game's existence right now. Casuals say that they should have the right to be lazy, well the hardcore players should have to right to be productive. I personally hate crafting, but I love grinding battle classes. Why should I penalized because casuals don't want to be left behind? I honestly feel like this game hurts itself not due to lack of content, but due to lack of fairness. Currently, it's TOO casual friendly that it burdens people that don't have lives (such as myself) and would like to play for 36 hours straight.

[darkstarpoet1]

Guild leves don't count because they are actually worse than grinding as far as exp over time goes. Also, I have yet to see people group up for leves outside of their LS. So yes, they have completely removed the need for group play in this game, aside from NMs, everything can be solod at a much faster rate than partying up. Leves, again, are the exception, but since you can only do 8 every 36, a party for 1 hour every day and a half is too casual and does not count towards group content at all.

i hate to disagree, but i see people grouping in adventurer guild and in the camps every reset. these are not ls and a few of the people in my static leve group are not in my ls either. we also allow anyone at the camps that are within 5 levels of us join in whether they are in our ls or otherwise as long as they have leves to run also. we will not allow people in the party to just leech though.