Endgame Content, Competitive Atmosphere

[MeowyWowie]

lol, anytime a thread about hardcore content is started it always turns into "Yea, it really takes skill to bot." It's getting old already.

How about all the casuals that bot DoL and DoH classes? That's more fair than claim botting I guess, right? It's OK for them to bot because they don't have as much time to play as some other people, right?[/sarcasm] I'm not saying that it's only casuals that are botting now, but it's a safe bet to say that many are. And if you ask me, these bots are even worse than claim bots because they affect the entire server (monopolizing), not just the small number of linkshells/players that partake in certain content.

And btw, I don't advocate botting, cheating or exploits. I'm just exposing the irony in some of these ridiculous "bot bot bot" replies that appear every time someone tries to discuss long term plans for content. People are going to bot, cheat and exploit the shit out of anything they can just to get ahead. A large portion of FFXIV's failure was because of them trying to make it as anti-bot as possible.

SE should be making examples of these cheaters by banning them, not avoiding certain types of content in an attempt to negate the need to cheat. Salvage dupe bans were a good example. Those players cheated (most of them at least), knew they were cheating and they got what was coming to them. There were some casualties, sure, but that's also the price you pay for playing with cheaters.

Can we get back to discussing future content now, and drop the f'n "bot bot bot" crap already? kthx

[NoctisUmbra]

lol, anytime a thread about hardcore content is started it always turns into "Yea, it really takes skill to bot." It's getting old already.

How about all the casuals that bot DoL and DoH classes? That's more fair than claim botting I guess, right? It's OK for them to bot because they don't have as much time to play as some other people, right?[/sarcasm] I'm not saying that it's only casuals that are botting now, but it's a safe bet to say that many are. And if you ask me, these bots are even worse than claim bots because they affect the entire server (monopolizing), not just the small number of linkshells/players that partake in certain content.

And btw, I don't advocate botting, cheating or exploits. I'm just exposing the irony in some of these ridiculous "bot bot bot" replies that appear every time someone tries to discuss long term plans for content. People are going to bot, cheat and exploit the shit out of anything they can just to get ahead. A large portion of FFXIV's failure was because of them trying to make it as anti-bot as possible.

SE should be making examples of these cheaters by banning them, not avoiding certain types of content in an attempt to negate the need to cheat. Salvage dupe bans were a good example. Those players cheated (most of them at least), knew they were cheating and they got what was coming to them. There were some casualties, sure, but that's also the price you pay for playing with cheaters.

Can we get back to discussing future content now, and drop the f'n "bot bot bot" crap already? kthx

Bots that spam craft for you are more harmful than claim bot use on competitive content?

Claim bots become a necessary evil when it becomes impossible to claim an NM without one. Craft bots don't ever become necessary.

[MeowyWowie]

Bots that spam craft for you are more harmful than claim bot use on competitive content?

Claim bots become a necessary evil when it becomes impossible to claim an NM without one. Craft bots don't ever become necessary.

Personally, yes, I think crafting bots are worse because the affect the entire server equally. More crafters at lv50 means less room for legit crafters to make a profit. The same goes for DoL. And it's likely that the legit crafters, miners, fishers and botanists got to 50 way after the bots did, which means even less of a chance for them to squeeze into the market and find a nice niche.

You're missing my point, though. No bots should be acceptable, period. I just find it funny that many don't care about the crafting/harvesting bots but completely rage at the notion of claim bots. If that's not the definition of irony, I don't know what is. People say one thing but mean another.

Hell, if they can make a "enter-spam-friendly" crafting system (very, very easy for anyone to write their own bot, or just afk turbo controller), then they sure as hell can make competitive endgame content. A bot is a bot is a bot, no matter which way you slice it. They should be dealt with by force, not evasive tactics because that's what got us in the situation we're in right now.

[NoctisUmbra]

Personally, yes, I think crafting bots are worse because the affect the entire server equally. More crafters at lv50 means less room for legit crafters to make a profit. The same goes for DoL. And it's likely that the legit crafters, miners, fishers and botanists got to 50 way after the bots did, which means even less of a chance for them to squeeze into the market and find a nice niche.

You're missing my point, though. No bots should be acceptable, period. I just find it funny that many don't care about the crafting/harvesting bots but completely rage at the notion of claim bots. If that's not the definition of irony, I don't know what is. People say one thing but mean another.

Hell, if they can make a "enter-spam-friendly" crafting system (very, very easy for anyone to write their own bot, or just afk turbo controller), then they sure as hell can make competitive endgame content. A bot is a bot is a bot, no matter which way you slice it. They should be dealt with by force, not evasive tactics because that's what got us in the situation we're in right now.

I don't care for botting of any form. Just saying if FFXIV has claim-botting in its future, that's likely the end for me.