Stop telling healers to go play dps

[Limonia]

Or maybe people aren't as good at games as you are and that downtime is them trying to focus on what's going on.

I'm not good. I don't do every extreme primal, only the ones where I think the mechanics look fun. And I usually only do the first and maybe second fight of a savage tier. And in those I'm not doing as much DPS as I could and I'm not healing as efficiently as I could, because I can't memorize every timeline perfectly and make mistakes at mechanics. But I'm trying my best every time.

If you are not new and still do not understand that the tank is at like 80% HP or higher most of the time if you just apply a Regen and use some heals here and there, then you should really try to focus on understanding the game you play first. You do play with other real people. Try to put in a little bit of effort at least.
NO ONE in their right mind would say that you have to DPS all the time as a healer and aren't allowed to use GCD heals. It is totally ok to heal. What's disrescpectful is not doing anything but pressing that one heal button IN THIS GAME.


Something I've noticed veeery often during the years I've been playing this game is also that heal-only healers have the most trouble healing people in chaotic situations. They are used to healing being such an easy task because it's usually enough to press those three heal buttons.
So if it gets chaotic and you know all your abilities and oGCDs aren't enough anymore or on CD you just use the GCD heals that are best for the situation to save the party instead of pressing Stone.
But A LOT of bad heal-only healers would just, for example, cast Medica II twice even though the regen timer is at 20s. And never use Largesse and so on, because just Medica II was enough when nothing bad happened. Because they are not used at all to using all tools available to them. They never tried healing efficiently before. But if you like to put out as much DPS as possible, you HAVE to heal efficiently. That makes you learn how to use your heals much better as well.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

I'm not good. I don't do every extreme primal, only the ones where I think the mechanics look fun. And I usually only do the first and maybe second fight of a savage tier. And in those I'm not doing as much DPS as I could and I'm not healing as efficiently as I could, because I can't memorize every timeline perfectly and make mistakes at mechanics. But I'm trying my best every time.

If you are not new and still do not understand that the tank is at like 80% HP or higher most of the time if you just apply a Regen and use some heals here and there, then you should really try to focus on understanding the game you play first. You do play with other real people. Try to put in a little bit of effort at least.
NO ONE in their right mind would say that you have to DPS all the time as a healer and aren't allowed to use GCD heals. It is totally ok to heal. What's disrescpectful is not doing anything but pressing that one heal button IN THIS GAME.


Something I've noticed veeery often during the years I've been playing this game is also that heal-only healers have the most trouble healing people in chaotic situations. They are used to healing being such an easy task because it's usually enough to press those three heal buttons.
So if it gets chaotic and you know all your abilities and oGCDs aren't enough anymore or on CD you just use the GCD heals that are best for the situation to save the party instead of pressing Stone.
But A LOT of bad heal-only healers would just, for example, cast Medica II twice even though the regen timer is at 20s. And never use Largesse and so on, because just Medica II was enough when nothing bad happened. Because they are not used at all to using all tools available to them. They never tried healing efficiently before. But if you like to put out as much DPS as possible, you HAVE to heal efficiently. That makes you learn how to use your heals much better as well.

Some people's first game is Final Fantasy XIV whereas a lot of us here play other games or other RPGs. Some people's first RPG is FFXIV, or the one they put the most time in.

I really do not see this as disrespectful. I've played Tank as main and DPS for years and have never felt offended if a healer doesn't DPS. I DPS like a boss when I play healer but...I really only see it as a bonus. I never felt disrespected by someone not doing that. I've only felt disrespected by people being elitists in runs for new players and making them quit the game due to their behavior. That's the kind of stuff I find disrespectful.

Sure it's good for people to strive to be better, but that comes at their pace on their time, not yours or mine. Unless we're doing core content I don't expect that from people. It would be foolish of me to do so.

[Limonia]

Some people's first game is Final Fantasy XIV whereas a lot of us here play other games or other RPGs. Some people's first RPG is FFXIV, or the one they put the most time in.

I really do not see this as disrespectful. I've played Tank as main and DPS for years and have never felt offended if a healer doesn't DPS. I DPS like a boss when I play healer but...I really only see it as a bonus. I never felt disrespected by someone not doing that.

Maybe it's because I'm really bad at socializing (and expressing myself with words, so sorry if I come off as weird all the time), but I find it extremely unfair if I have to run the content for someone who only presses like one button, while I and the others in the group are doing things all the time. Even if the DPS doesn't use his perfect rotation, if he's putting in some effort it's totally fine with me. But a not new healer that only uses heals even though the tank is almost at full HP all the time anyway isn't. Why is is alright for the healer to just stand there? Because it seems to be alright in some other games. Because in some other games he HAS to press the heal buttons constantly. So he only assumes instead of thinking and observing (or outright refuses to adapt), and doesn't adapt his accustomed "playstyle" to this game.

I never played an MMO before this one. The first class I played was Conjurer. I saw I had DPS spells and enemies only removed so much from HP bars. Of course I was very careful at first, but I used DPS spells from the beginning. I think that if FFXIV is your very first MMO or even RPG your even less prone to just healing, because your not used to the heal-only role of some other games.

I have to add that if someone is totally new and doesn't DPS as healer I'm really fine with it, because he must first realize that healing isn't needed all the time. Maybe he doesn't have good gear in his first dungeon and the tank is inexperienced as well, so he HAS to use his heals. But he is able to realize after a while that he would just stand around doing nothing if he only heals in a "normal" party.

And to the first post you made that I quoted, with the "play other games", this is almost all the time only meant for healers from other games that refuse to adapt, not to the new and inexperienced players that are still learning. But the ones that deliberately just idle instead of doing something, full knowing that this game is designed differently.

[Ilyrian]

But the ones that deliberately just idle instead of doing something, full knowing that this game is designed differently.

You put that a lot more succinctly than I did.

[Elgeron]

I never played an MMO before this one. The first class I played was Conjurer. I saw I had DPS spells and enemies only removed so much from HP bars. Of course I was very careful at first, but I used DPS spells from the beginning. I think that if FFXIV is your very first MMO or even RPG your even less prone to just healing, because your not used to the heal-only role of some other games.

Quite interesting, if I may share an anecdote myself, my father, who really never played an MMORPG before this actually used DPS spells too when he started playing healer. It is quite interesting to know the point of view of those that start playing without any pre-conceived notion.

I have to add that if someone is totally new and doesn't DPS as healer I'm really fine with it, because he must first realize that healing isn't needed all the time. Maybe he doesn't have good gear in his first dungeon and the tank is inexperienced as well, so he HAS to use his heals. But he is able to realize after a while that he would just stand around doing nothing if he only heals in a "normal" party.

And to the first post you made that I quoted, with the "play other games", this is almost all the time only meant for healers from other games that refuse to adapt, not to the new and inexperienced players that are still learning. But the ones that deliberately just idle instead of doing something, full knowing that this game is designed differently.

This is the opinion that I share. Is ok not to DPS if one doesn't have the skill or confidence to do so, but is unfair not to contribute when one can. Is not even like giving "100% all the time", but if the tank is making an effort to reduce incoming damage, the DPS are doing well and using their support skills, and downtime is generated, and you have the skills and knowledge to dps, I think is atleast respectful to do so. I have tanked tons, and I would never berate a healer that doesn't DPS, as I cannot know what their experience and skill are, even when well geared, but it doesn't mean that I will just be happy and accept a perfectly capable healer not doing more than the bare minimun. Also, how so many people use this excuse to defend the homogenization and removal of healer class' mechanichs, while it wasn't ever a issue of DPSing or not.