Stop telling healers to go play dps

[NekoNova]

Sorry for actually liking to play games and want to be challenge or excel at them. Seems that nowdays everyone just want a to get a pat in the back just for being there and doing the bare minimum. I won't ever understand why people do not want to make use of their full kits. Furthemore, this isn't even about player skill. It is understandable if a player cannot perform at a higher level. What is puzzling is those that can but refuse to do so. What fun is there in remaining idle?
Also, what if they changed the DPS kit to a Buff/debuff kit, more in line whit other RPG healers. Would you then be ok with healers only healing? Is not that we do so because we want to be "green DPS", is that literally our kit is divided in two, and we want to make full use of it.

Nobody is saying YOU can't challenge yourself and try to excel at them.
However don't project your ambitions on others, that's what people saying.


You want to DPS and be #1? By all means go for it!
Just don't force this on the next person in your party unless they agreed to it when forming the group.

[Ilyrian]

Just don't force this on the next person in your party unless they agreed to it when forming the group.

I agree in theory - but why do we need to advocate for the lowest denominator constantly.
As the game is currently a healer not dpsing, lets say for the sake of argument - at all, is a complete dead weight in the group. They are literally adding nothing of any value. They could but they are actively choosing not to.

As you say nothing should be forced, i agree, but we shouldn't keep defending this style of play - the baseline should be of a higher standard when it comes to healing - being able to play your role to the fullest should be the standard, not the exception.

Yes, I am aware that all this is a silly thing to get to worried about given 90% of the content is pointless - but it's important to make the distinction between good play and bad - especially as the game is programmed they way it currently is.

Of course, all this may be subject to change in the expansion but I honestly doubt it.

[Elgeron]

You are proving my point. You seem to not comprehend people aren't as capable of you and expect others to be at your level.

Get off your high horse.

And you seem to lack reading comprehension

Furthemore, this isn't even about player skill. It is understandable if a player cannot perform at a higher level. What is puzzling is those that can but refuse to do so. What fun is there in remaining idle?

Thats what I said. Maybe you should be the one to get off of you "moral" high horse. I play this game with my father. He literally have no sensibility on his left hand, so when playing most of the time he cant hardly use the mouse. Furthermore he doesn't have the dexterity to play hard content. He plays mostly Tank and Healer. He makes many mistakes, but I wouldn't force him or anyone doing more than they are capable of. Yet is ridculous that our skill have to be taken from us only because some cannot reach the same level. And the complain , again, is not about skill. Is about those that can play better, contribute more in a team game, but want any excuse not to do so...

I can play either cause I'm not picky. I can play FFXI's healing focused healer or this game's DPS heavy healer. I don't care either way, the changes they are doing here seem to be improvements to me getting rid of the bloat.

...like you.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

And you seem to lack reading comprehension



Thats what I said. Maybe you should be the one to get off of you "moral" high horse. I play this game with my father. He literally have no sensibility on his left hand, so when playing most of the time he cant hardly use the mouse. Furthermore he doesn't have the dexterity to play hard content. He plays mostly Tank and Healer. He makes many mistakes, but I wouldn't force him or anyone doing more than they are capable of. Yet is ridculous that our skill have to be taken from us only because some cannot reach the same level. And the complain , again, is not about skill. Is about those that can play better, contribute more in a team game, but want any excuse not to do so...

I understand that you are a entitled gamer that cannot comprehend that this most dreaded and evil "downtime" the people en masse yell at the top of their lungs is not simply that to those of lesser skill and experience. Oh but how lazy these people are because they don't have the whereabouts and experience you have.

Your type is all the same to me, a broken record.

...like you.

I'm fairly certain I can outplay you in this game if you really want to go there.

[NekoNova]

I agree in theory - but why do we need to advocate for the lowest denominator constantly.
As the game is currently a healer not dpsing, lets say for the sake of argument - at all, is a complete dead weight in the group. They are literally adding nothing of any value. They could but they are actively choosing not to.

As you say nothing should be forced, i agree, but we shouldn't keep defending this style of play - the baseline should be of a higher standard when it comes to healing - being able to play your role to the fullest should be the standard, not the exception.

Yes, I am aware that all this is a silly thing to get to worried about given 90% of the content is pointless - but it's important to make the distinction between good play and bad - especially as the game is programmed they way it currently is.

Of course, all this may be subject to change in the expansion but I honestly doubt it.

Works both ways really. Why do people have to advocate to the highest standard in a video game?
People play this game for a miriad of reasons, ranging from competitive play to relaxing and passing time.


I get your point though, and there probably isn't a good/correct/complete answer that would satisfy either side.

[Mistyregions]

Isn't by that very same train of thought, make everything in the game pointless?

I dunno man, take a break. Play another game, it's almost summer get a tan, go outside and chill with your dog. Getting frustrated on a fourm for a game you are clearly upset with right now is not healthy. You don't owe the game anything, so don't fall victim to the sunk cost fallacy. It's a hobby, not a job.

[Elgeron]

I understand that you are a entitled gamer that cannot comprehend that this most dreaded and evil "downtime" the people en masse yell at the top of their lungs is not simply that to those of lesser skill and experience. Oh but how lazy these people are because they don't have the whereabouts and experience you have.

Your type is all the same to me, a broken record.

Amazing, you haven't read anything, have you?

I'm fairly certain I can outplay you in this game if you really want to go there.

Little bit of an hypocrital stance. Perhaps if you had read my post and understand it, you will realize that I'm not speaking about skill, but actually putting effort in a team.

[Nora_of_Mira]

(skipped 14 pages of reading, no idea where the discussion has gone after the OP)

I do feel bad for my healer-main friends. if they gutted the melee-DPS the way they did healers, I would be equally if not more upset. But tellin healers to go DPS is just plain stupid; you really want to make our DPS queues longer? you really want to wait 30-60 minutes longer in PF waiting for a healer to join? we need MORE people playing healers, not less.

[Mavrias]

I understand that you are a entitled gamer that cannot comprehend that this most dreaded and evil "downtime" the people en masse yell at the top of their lungs is not simply that to those of lesser skill and experience. Oh but how lazy these people are because they don't have the whereabouts and experience you have.

Your type is all the same to me, a broken record.



I'm fairly certain I can outplay you in this game if you really want to go there.

what are you talking about? this thread isnt about whether or not you should dps in downtime. ts about simplifying and homogenizing healer kits to the point where if youre one of the healers who likes to dps in downtime you'll likely have little to do and (especially inthe case of sch) a boring rotation and non healers telling healer mains to stop complaining. stop trying to derail.

[Ilyrian]

Works both ways really. Why do people have to advocate to the highest standard in a video game?
People play this game for a miriad of reasons, ranging from competitive play to relaxing and passing time.


I get your point though, and there probably isn't a good/correct/complete answer that would satisfy either side.

Yes, absolutely. I'm not coming for anyone.
But, we hold DPS to demonstrable standards and we should do the same with tanks and healers imo.
This game in particular is a funny case given the lack of numerical feedback (in the most part) so it is difficult to gauge success and improve on failure.
But the game is what it is - and regardless of how they dress it up, healing almost seems like an afterthought... it is not as engaging as it could be currently.