The Healer Double Standard

[Lordfurious]

How in the Twelve do you need to save EVERYTHING to keep people alive? There’s no surprise trash mobs, no surprise boss attacks. Literally everything is scripted. Raids, dungeons, everything. You KNOW what is coming. The only time it’s a surprise is if you’re new, and even then you do not need your entire mp pool and every single CD to keep anyone alive. Even with non maxed gear lol.

I love how healing works in this game. I hated being a heal bot in WoW, which is why I’ve played healer in XIV for so long. The incoming damage could be upped so we arent dpsing 90% of the time, but I do not want to take away our dps completely. I do not want to be a heal bot. Let us keep what separates the good from the bad, and not all “Lol I spAmmY spAm hEalY buTtoNs aNd mAke GreEn bArs Go uP.” And no matter what they do, we are always going to have negative experiences in dungeons. It is the downside of playing an online game with real people.

Literally the ONLY healers who get stressed in casual content are those who aren’t very good. Healing is so powerful right now, it requires very little effort lol. All we want is the way we deal damage to be more interesting than a button spam. I do not understand why heal only healers get so mad when we ask for an improvement for our desired play style. It LITERALLY does not change your play style. We get more enjoyment out of how we like to play, and you get to keep the way you like to play. Why is having options so bad?

Oh and it’s the public forum for giving feedback. We are more than welcome to voice our discontent. Got a problem, no one is forcing you to read our posts.

Oh you're right I must KNOW an undergeared tank is not going to use cooldowns. I must also KNOW that a DPS is going to accidentally pull another group of mobs that isn't going to be picked up right away because the tank isn't paying attention. You're right it must all be my fault. I'm so glad the forums has people like you to tell the rest of us how horrible we are and how wonderful you are. Thank you for your wonderful insight.

[Deceptus]

I love how healing works in this game. I hated being a heal bot in WoW, which is why I’ve played healer in XIV for so long. The incoming damage could be upped so we arent dpsing 90% of the time, but I do not want to take away our dps completely. I do not want to be a heal bot. Let us keep what separates the good from the bad, and not all “Lol I spAmmY spAm hEalY buTtoNs aNd mAke GreEn bArs Go uP.” And no matter what they do, we are always going to have negative experiences in dungeons. It is the downside of playing an online game with real people.

And most importantly in WoW if you wanted to level, you had a dedicated DPS spec to do that. We don't have those here in FFXIV. One dot and one filler spell from level 2 to lvl 80 is going to get really old REALLY fast.

Oh you're right I must KNOW an undergeared tank is not going to use cooldowns. I must also KNOW that a DPS is going to accidentally pull another group of mobs that isn't going to be picked up right away because the tank isn't paying attention. You're right it must all be my fault. I'm so glad the forums has people like you to tell the rest of us how horrible we are and how wonderful you are. Thank you for your wonderful insight.

No need to be so condescending. I've run enough dungeons to know that the above has definitely happened more times than I'd like to count. Generally just like you laid out. Undergeared tanks not using CD's (AV, Vault, Bardam's anyone?), DPS pulling because they're impatient.

[Lordfurious]

And most importantly in WoW if you wanted to level, you had a dedicated DPS spec to do that. We don't have those here in FFXIV. One dot and one filler spell from level 2 to lvl 80 is going to get really old REALLY fast.



No need to be so condescending. I've run enough dungeons to know that the above has definitely happened more times than I'd like to count. Generally just like you laid out. Undergeared tanks not using CD's (AV, Vault, Bardam's anyone?), DPS pulling because they're impatient.

I don't find that condescending at all I find that an adequate response to a user in the Forum telling me I am a bad player for the way I play. I see a lot of these hateful people in the forums that don't actually contribute in a positive manner but rather become argumentative and call other players bad because we do not conform to the way they think the game should play and not the way the game is designed. That is the reason for these recent changes. The devs are tired of the tanks and the healers fighting in dungeons all of us have seen it at one point in time. It has to stop it's a total team effort. And the comment to me about being a bad player for conserving MP just proves what type of people are Community have in it and unfortunately there are a lot of negative people who just want to spread hate I want to spread positivity and joy in the game. But go ahead and call me condescending if you must. But I will not sit back and listen to other players say that those of us who conserve MP are bad players as there are a lot of us that do it.

[WaxSw]

If you would like a more prime example the tank barely had 360 item level. We are running expert dungeons. The tank pulled mobs all the way to the boss did not use a single cool down. But it's okay go ahead and call me names tell me I'm a bad healer.

So we healers should have our job screwed because some tanks are unbearable bad at doing their job? You know that you can talk with them right? Tell them "Please use your cooldowns" and vote kick if they blame you. What youre saying is like saying that tank jobs should only have one aggro aoe attack because some dps dont know that diversion exist, just make the game less appealing for players who have already invested in their job because some other players are terribe at theirs, In which world that is even remotely fair?

And lets not talk about the fact of changing three jobs because some very specific scenarios which are not the ordinary.

[Lordfurious]

So we healers should have our job screwed because some tanks are unbearable bad at doing their job? You know that you can talk with them right? Tell them "Please use your cooldowns" and vote kick if they blame you. What youre saying is like saying that tank jobs should only have one aggro aoe attack because some dps dont know that diversion exist, just make the game less appealing for players who have already invested in their job because some other players are terribe at theirs, In which world that is even remotely fair?

And lets not talk about the fact of changing three jobs because some very specific scenarios which are not the ordinary.

Look the reason for these changes is because they were so much hatred in Dungeons and so much fighting in dungeons between tanks and Healers. I used an example of something negative that happened in a dungeon. At no point did I say that healer should be screwed over nor do I believe that having healers primarily heal is screwing over a Healer as after all the name itself tells us what the duty is and that is healer. Please don't put words in my mouth that I never said. I never said that healers should be screwed over and personally I don't believe they're being screwed over I wish people would wait until the new content comes out and actually try it before complaining about all of the changes.

[Deceptus]

Look the reason for these changes is because they were so much hatred in Dungeons and so much fighting in dungeons between tanks and Healers.

Source please. Do you have an inside to the SE development team you'd like to share? I think we'd like some answers from them. /s

[Lordfurious]

Source please. Do you have an inside to the SE development team you'd like to share? I think we'd like some answers from them. /s

I'm just curious do you find it enjoyable to go around and troll people? Earlier in this thread and also in other threads you have quoted me out of context. It seems that you want to argue about nothing and everything. I'm curious what I have done to deserve such attention from you? Like for example earlier in this thread telling me I'm condescending for defending my position against another player who you also had a problem with in this same thread. Are you in these forms to contribute in a positive manner because in my humble opinion it doesn't appear that you are. If you are just here to argue and try to create drama and problems then please in the future leave me out of your drama sessions. Thank You

[ForteNightshade]

Look the reason for these changes is because they were so much hatred in Dungeons and so much fighting in dungeons between tanks and Healers. I used an example of something negative that happened in a dungeon. At no point did I say that healer should be screwed over nor do I believe that having healers primarily heal is screwing over a Healer as after all the name itself tells us what the duty is and that is healer. Please don't put words in my mouth that I never said. I never said that healers should be screwed over and personally I don't believe they're being screwed over I wish people would wait until the new content comes out and actually try it before complaining about all of the changes.

And none of these changes will alter the status quo unless the outgoing damage greatly increases. If the devs did make said changes in the hopes of settling down the community's expectations. They will be in for a very rude awakening. It has never been about lack of DPS abilities but the fact healers have nothing else to do except DPS. And they spend more time doing that than healing due to the aforementioned low damage output. You don't balance around a random fool since said fool isn't going to magically get better. This is the equivalent of saying dungeons should gate pulls to one pack at a time because some people refuse to use their AoE abilities.

While I may be highly critical of the dev team's design decisions. I don't believe they're this... shall we say, blind?

[xxvaynxx]

Maybe Because I'm not a healer but like... All you had was just two dots and one spamable attack. Sch had like 4 I think? I don't really see the big deal, all you lost was one extra dot.
You still going to be spamming one skill.
Sch had energy drain but like that's not much.

[Lordfurious]

And none of these changes will alter the status quo unless the outgoing damage greatly increases. If the devs did make said changes in the hopes of settling down the community's expectations. They will be in for a very rude awakening. It has never been about lack of DPS abilities but the fact healers have nothing else to do except DPS. And they spend more time doing that than healing due to the aforementioned low damage output. You don't balance around a random fool since said fool isn't going to magically get better. This is the equivalent of saying dungeons should gate pulls to one pack at a time because some people refuse to use their AoE abilities.

While I may be highly critical of the dev team's design decisions. I don't believe they're this... shall we say, blind?

You're making a lot of assumptions however we don't know truly what's going to happen until the game comes out for those of us that pre-purchased on June 28th. If a healer is literally standing around with nothing to do then absolutely yes by all means that healer should do some DPS but once again as you've done in some of my previous threads you only read one of my comments but haven't looked at the entirety of what was said. And I believe you are absolutely incorrect. I believe it will change hatred between healers and tanks. Right now from my own is personal experiences what I have seen while playing all three classes is that there is a big fight when tanks drop stance. There is also a big fight if a tank doesn't see a Healer pushing a button a cast every single global cooldown. I personally believe that that will change the fighting will be less in those two instances.