I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

[Hash_Browns]

But this topic is not about extreme content or something like that, a lvling dungeons which you could even beat with your one hand clicking abilities with mouse. :P

Personally for me, I don't think the issue is that I wouldn't be able to beat the content i I think the issue is that I don't want to carry people through the content.

I treat everyone undergeared like I do a tank that is undergeared. It's not *can* we do this, it's "why should I have to put up with you?"

[AnnaRosa]

But man, I ask some folks why they're using a strength ring on their blackmage, and they say it increases their hit chance. I tell them that's not right. And they blow up on me. Those are the people I kick. And I do it way too often for it to just be a fluke. Like once a week often.

Is there a way we can fix this?

Totally get you have the best intention however not sure if the kick will be effective for those players if they have that quick answer in their mind means they already cope as legit.

Assuming they are not joking in game, in those situations the only way you proceed into an effective change as you intend is to explain in game why do you think the accessory is wrongly used with metrics after you finish the dungeon.

The kick will only cause an hostile environment within the party even for the third member that is doing best to reach the dungeon end.

[Nedkel]

I'm curious where this 10% figure you keep quoting comes from, Nedkel.

If you for example take a DRG and gear him up with 200 ilvl gear you have 886 strength without accessories and 1101 with them which translates into 24% in main stat difference between the two http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/194AZ802
However your damage does not scale only with your primary stat, it does scale with your weapon damage and determination. This stat difference could effectively translate into around 10-12% depending on the lvl you are on and your own weapon or even amount of determination.
The difference is even smaller, if you count into it that people who run certain dungeon replaces their accessory with wrong stat to meet ilvl to that dungeon, and since we know it is more effective to be in a certain ilvl brackets than to be synced, someone using dex accessory on DRG could in fact have more second stats than someone who will use low Ilvl accessories and get synced to minimum ilvl.
To it really depends on a lot of things, but technically dps should not be bigger than 15% for DPS, I'm not certainly saying 10%, but something around it. It is lower for tanks, higher for some dps and lower for healers, since there are so many variables in damage calculations between different lvls classes and etc.

Personally for me, I don't think the issue is that I wouldn't be able to beat the content i I think the issue is that I don't want to carry people through the content.

I treat everyone undergeared like I do a tank that is undergeared. It's not *can* we do this, it's "why should I have to put up with you?"

You should expect everything in lvling dungeons, the moment you queue into that duty you technically agreed to play with newbies/lvling guys or whatever else.
There should be some standards but in 70+ lvl content, anything below does not matter, you could as well complain that some jobs are inferior to others and you have to carry them, pre lvl 60 some of them does not have good AOE or dps and it does affect your run to much higher degree than someone replacing earrings with wrong stats. :P

Complaining about 10-15% less dps someone does is petty especially in lvl content.

[van_arn]

You should expect everything in lvling dungeons, the moment you queue into that duty you technically agreed to play with newbies/lvling guys or whatever else.
There should be some standards but in 70+ lvl content, anything below does not matter, you could as well complain that some jobs are inferior to others and you have to carry them, pre lvl 60 some of them does not have good AOE or dps and it does affect your run to much higher degree than someone replacing earrings with wrong stats. :P

Complaining about 10-15% less dps someone does is petty especially in lvl content.

And yet, if someone underperforms enough to get votes stacked against them they're gone, no matter what you just posted.

Difference in playstyle.

Read clicking no to "do you want to kick (name)" as "I will carry (name)"

Not everyone wants that, and no one can be obligated to do that, no matter what you say they should or should not do. That's their decision to make, and theirs alone.

And no, Square can't compel carries. That's outside of their capability. If a party wants someone gone, that someone is gone no matter what square tries to do to prevent it.

[shaiel]

I haven't kicked players for having wrong gear. But honestly after today, I can see why people do it. I was in Aurum Vale (level 49) and healer had level 41 weapon, level 35-40 mixed left side gear. Their right side accessories / gear some of it was level 1 / 15. It was absolutely terrible. We wiped so many times and I was wondering why I was never healed up to full just constantly 25-50% even if healer was spamming heals. My gear was all fine. So I decided to click on healer to examine their gear before last boss. We wiped 2 more times on last boss. Healer would instadie to random things even if I had aggro or as I was trying to get the trash mobs when pulling. Like dots from gold bile pools or the dmg from morbol when some sprouted, they'd look at the healer and the healer would die. They also kept giving me balance card as tank. T^T The only reason I didn't click abandon duty was because one of the dps was friendly and was new, I felt bad because I knew roulette would've been 30 mins for them and they were trying. In retrospect, I probably should've tried to kick the healer since they weren't talking in chat anyway. Or maybe I should've just taken the penalty, idk.

[Hash_Browns]

You should expect everything in lvling dungeons, the moment you queue into that duty you technically agreed to play with newbies/lvling guys or whatever else.
There should be some standards but in 70+ lvl content, anything below does not matter, you could as well complain that some jobs are inferior to others and you have to carry them, pre lvl 60 some of them does not have good AOE or dps and it does affect your run to much higher degree than someone replacing earrings with wrong stats. :P

Complaining about 10-15% less dps someone does is petty especially in lvl content.

No, when I queue up for a dungeon I'm not signing into an agreement where I will carry players who don't buy gear, or simply don't care.

Expecting iLvl gear equal to the content is something you learn at around level 15, if I am not mistaken (it has been awhile since I did that quest). I expect that you have equipment on the left side upto level 49 content, and both sides in level +50 content.

I refuse to carry people.
Allowing people to come into content undergeared, or underperforming gives the impression that they can get away with it, and oh boy do they try.

Also, just to note: I'm not talking about people who come into level 50 content with like iLvl 115 gear, I'm talking about people who come into, for exampe, level 50 content with ilvl 40 gear, or level 65 content with ilvl 260 gear.

[Nedkel]

And yet, if someone underperforms enough to get votes stacked against them they're gone, no matter what you just posted.

Difference in playstyle.

Read clicking no to "do you want to kick (name)" as "I will carry (name)"

Not everyone wants that, and no one can be obligated to do that, no matter what you say they should or should not do. That's their decision to make, and theirs alone.

And no, Square can't compel carries. That's outside of their capability. If a party wants someone gone, that someone is gone no matter what square tries to do to prevent it.

This is a nonsense and that what I am trying to point out in this thread.
Going to the low lvl dungeon, and kicking someone over their dps being lower than it should be by a not large %.
Its technically the same as if you would judge someone with a fflogs and see their performance and kick them out due to their percentile score in dps. It will not save you any time by kicking someone for that reason since you waste time for someone else to join and you could get someone who will have lower dps, you are running someone and yours day. Whats the point really, lvling dungeons is not a dps or speed competition.

[Hash_Browns]

This is a nonsense and that what I am trying to point out in this thread.
Going to the low lvl dungeon, and kicking someone over their dps being lower than it should be by a not large %.
Its technically the same as if you would judge someone with a fflogs and see their performance and kick them out due to their percentile score in dps. It will not save you any time by kicking someone for that reason since you waste time for someone else to join and you could get someone who will have lower dps, you are running someone and yours day. Whats the point really, lvling dungeons is not a dps or speed competition.

It's not about time. I couldn't care less about time - I'm playing a game.
It's about not wanting to carry people.

[RyuSaarva]

I haven't kicked players for having wrong gear. But honestly after today, I can see why people do it. I was in Aurum Vale (level 49) and healer had level 41 weapon, level 35-40 mixed left side gear. Their right side accessories / gear some of it was level 1 / 15. It was absolutely terrible. We wiped so many times and I was wondering why I was never healed up to full just constantly 25-50% even if healer was spamming heals. My gear was all fine. So I decided to click on healer to examine their gear before last boss. We wiped 2 more times on last boss. Healer would instadie to random things even if I had aggro or as I was trying to get the trash mobs when pulling. Like dots from gold bile pools or the dmg from morbol when some sprouted, they'd look at the healer and the healer would die. They also kept giving me balance card as tank. T^T The only reason I didn't click abandon duty was because one of the dps was friendly and was new, I felt bad because I knew roulette would've been 30 mins for them and they were trying. In retrospect, I probably should've tried to kick the healer since they weren't talking in chat anyway. Or maybe I should've just taken the penalty, idk.

sounds more like a new player who died to the gold dust dot stack 3 because he never ate the thing which removes it and used regen on tank prepull and got hit by 10 adds instantly, accessories don't really do much at all at those levels and his left side gear levels are fine.

[van_arn]

This is a nonsense and that what I am trying to point out in this thread.
Going to the low lvl dungeon, and kicking someone over their dps being lower than it should be by a not large %.
Its technically the same as if you would judge someone with a fflogs and see their performance and kick them out due to their percentile score in dps. It will not save you any time by kicking someone for that reason since you waste time for someone else to join and you could get someone who will have lower dps, you are running someone and yours day. Whats the point really, lvling dungeons is not a dps or speed competition.

Not about saving time. It's about dropping the carry.

If it's a low level dungeon, that's going to take a special sort to earn a carry kick from me, arguably bot tier. But these people exist.

That said, the part you seem to strain your hardest to ignore is it isn't one person kicking. If someone is causing enough of a disturbance to earn the votes against them, they need to go.

For the peace of the group.