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    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LegolasT View Post
    It’s so tiresome to see dungeon tankers complain if you can’t play the job well play another one there are like 16 more
    Especially as a dungeon tanker I am disappointed. They stripped fluff mitigation from DRK already in SB, now in ShB there is almost nothing left. DRK has 20s Rampart, 10s Shadow Wall and TBN - that's it. The magic only cooldowns are almost useless in a dungeon setting. Parry buff gone, aoe blind gone, healbuff gone, aoe selfheal dumbed down...

    DRK has a cooldown for every second pull or so. Meanwhile GNB also has Rampart, his version of Shadow Wall, his version of TBN, 10% mitigation + 50% parry buff, his 15% aoe mitigation tool wich works on himself as well and of course his HoT.


    DRK looks perfectly fine for raid content, he has cooldowns designed for tankbusters, but it looks like I have to tank dungeons with nothing but my face >.>
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    Ziero Rehw-bidit
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    Malboro
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    Especially as a dungeon tanker I am disappointed. They stripped fluff mitigation from DRK already in SB, now in ShB there is almost nothing left. DRK has 20s Rampart, 10s Shadow Wall and TBN - that's it. The magic only cooldowns are almost useless in a dungeon setting. Parry buff gone, aoe blind gone, healbuff gone, aoe selfheal dumbed down...

    DRK has a cooldown for every second pull or so. Meanwhile GNB also has Rampart, his version of Shadow Wall, his version of TBN, 10% mitigation + 50% parry buff, his 15% aoe mitigation tool wich works on himself as well and of course his HoT.


    DRK looks perfectly fine for raid content, he has cooldowns designed for tankbusters, but it looks like I have to tank dungeons with nothing but my face >.>
    CD usage I think will be a minor area of concern.

    I love tanking dungeons, and I love using both WAR and DRK .When I tank dungeons on DRK, I do so mostly without grit for most and I tend to use my dark arts on quietus instead of abyssal drain. Despite that fact, data shows I consistently have a lower damage-taken-per-second stat on DRK than I do on WAR, and this is thanks to generous usage of TBN. I take less damage on DRK than I do on WAR even when I'm compounding cooldowns and correctly rotating them on every pull on WAR.

    So, when I read we're gaining a tank trait that gives us permanent 20% damage reduction AND a buffed TBN, there's no doubt in my mind we'll be just fine. Besides, healers are just getting more tools to aid in healing, making our lives more secure.
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    Cacho'rro Dos'ventos
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    Behemoth
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    Especially as a dungeon tanker I am disappointed. They stripped fluff mitigation from DRK already in SB, now in ShB there is almost nothing left. DRK has 20s Rampart, 10s Shadow Wall and TBN - that's it. The magic only cooldowns are almost useless in a dungeon setting. Parry buff gone, aoe blind gone, healbuff gone, aoe selfheal dumbed down...

    DRK has a cooldown for every second pull or so. Meanwhile GNB also has Rampart, his version of Shadow Wall, his version of TBN, 10% mitigation + 50% parry buff, his 15% aoe mitigation tool wich works on himself as well and of course his HoT.


    DRK looks perfectly fine for raid content, he has cooldowns designed for tankbusters, but it looks like I have to tank dungeons with nothing but my face >.>
    If you time your abyssal drain properly youll get a lot of life steal, TBN, rampart and SW are more than enough to do big pulls. TBN is a 15 sec 25% heal, with delirium you can spam quieus, with blood weapon you will have a lot mp to spam at least 4 TBN (and 4 flood of shadow) in a pull, and Im pretty sure you should have Blood weapon on every pull.
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    Shao Kuraisenshi
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Inuk9 View Post
    If you time your abyssal drain properly youll get a lot of life steal, TBN, rampart and SW are more than enough to do big pulls. TBN is a 15 sec 25% heal, with delirium you can spam quieus, with blood weapon you will have a lot mp to spam at least 4 TBN (and 4 flood of shadow) in a pull, and Im pretty sure you should have Blood weapon on every pull.
    TBN is a 25% shield not a heal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shao32 View Post
    TBN is a 25% shield not a heal.
    It is the same thing, you are saving healer mana and time either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuk9 View Post
    It is the same thing, you are saving healer mana and time either way.
    it's not the same thing, mitigation and self sustain/healing are 2 diferent things, DRK don't recover any HP with TBN no matter how much you wanna look at it.

    the terms are complety diferent so do not use them inappropriately.
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    Last edited by shao32; 06-05-2019 at 10:39 PM.

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    Mute Shellback
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    Quote Originally Posted by shao32 View Post
    it's not the same thing, mitigation and self sustain/healing are 2 diferent things, DRK don't recover any HP with TBN no matter how much you wanna look at it.

    the terms are complety diferent so do not use them inappropriately.
    Shielding is healing. It's preemptive / proactive, not reactive, nor regenerative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere View Post
    Shielding is healing. It's preemptive / proactive, not reactive, nor regenerative.
    TBN it's not, if you are alone against a boss and use constantly TBN to mitigate his attacks you will die eventually, only SCH and AST shields are considerated heals bcs they restore HP in the proces of shielding, TBN doens't do that so his type os shield can't be considerated healing at all.
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