I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

[Wynn_Storm]

I don't know where i stand on this matter. Maybe i give new players the benefit of the doubt too much.

But you should be at least somewhat okay geared to be doing content. Like if you are doing a lvl 42 dgn you shouldn't be wearing lvl 20 gear.

And then to complain about how everyone is an elitist trying to ruin your fun and experience is kind of selfish.

But i usually give sprouts a free pass most of the time, and its probably a bad habit i should try to break.

[Xarion]

I remember an issue like this before. I know the tank was likely trolling but anyway. I ended up in aurum vale ( which is annoying to heal already). You get the usual female miqote in bikini gear. their hp was super low, not long after he pulls we wipe. The tank didn't even glamour the gear, just out right equipped it, when asked why his response was "Because my character is hot" I left instantly. I hate when people decide to waste everyone's time like that. Thankfully that hasn't happened again and hopefully never will.

[Avenger]

I have never thought about kicking someone because of gear, though sometimes I will ask if they have anything better, since it could just be a mistake. I have entered dungeons without the right shoes (or any shoes) after an upgrade for example.

If the difference is only 10% for one player then it is basically in the noise for most DF content.

[Nedkel]

It's encouraging laziness. Just another example of how the casual side of the community are some of the most selfish and inconsiderate people you'll ever come across in this game. All they care about is their own experience.

If someone can't be bothered to get level-appropriate gear for their job, they can go jump into someone else's backpack. I won't be carrying them.

FFXIV is a casual game you could play how you like, you are not being asked to be competitive or make it a part of your life.
If someone expect competitive gameplay he/she should play 70 lvl expert/savage content and not bother about lvling dungeons, since there are all kinds of people playing there with messed up gear from many different levels. Low lvl dungeons/trials has been adjusted so anyone could just go through them whatever eq someone has.

[grinkdaboy]

it's a good thing that you announced this so now i know to avoid you for being a tremendous jerk

[JohnSpawnVFX]

FFXIV is a casual game you could play how you like, you are not being asked to be competitive or make it a part of your life.
If someone expect competitive gameplay he/she should play 70 lvl expert/savage content and not bother about lvling dungeons, since there are all kinds of people playing there with messed up gear from many different levels. Low lvl dungeons/trials has been adjusted so anyone could just go through them whatever eq someone has.

Casual game doesn't excuse people having to carry others. If everyone played the game casually, no one would have gotten past Shinryu.

[Wynn_Storm]

FFXIV is a casual game you could play how you like, you are not being asked to be competitive or make it a part of your life.
If someone expect competitive gameplay he/she should play 70 lvl expert/savage content and not bother about lvling dungeons, since there are all kinds of people playing there with messed up gear from many different levels. Low lvl dungeons/trials has been adjusted so anyone could just go through them whatever eq someone has.

I don't think they are asking to be competitive. I think they are asking to be competent.

Also that's unfair to say "Just do expert/savage content". You get rewarded for doing all roulettes.

Don't blame the player blame the game for giving people rewards for doing old content that will have new players in it.

[Hash_Browns]

The point is, OP is simply overreacting to other people gameplay.

There is only one reason why someone could wear wrong gear and it is that they are lvling their job and have nothing to put on in the place so they wear anything they could.
It should not really be a deal, if someone is wearing 60 lvl accessories with wrong stat its really maybe about 10% in total dps output of the guy, the higher lvl the less impact it has on a dps since accessories comparing to armor does not give that much primary stat on lvl 70 in comparison to lvl 50 or 60.

If a player can not show me the little effort it takes to get shop gear off of a vendor, then I have no issues with showing them the door.

You don't get a free pass because you're leveling. The only exception is that players who are under level 50 shouldn't really be bothering with high value accessories, because the difference is usually +1 str vs +2 str. However, you complete left side can be bought at level 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 , 30, 35, 40, 45, and 49.

Once you hit level 50, gear is handed to you, and then it's easily farmed for the BiS at level 50, and that gear lasts until around level 54, at which point vendor gear can be bought/made for level 54, 56, 58, 60 - then level 60s can get more poetic gear, and the cycle continues for gear at vendors, only this time accessories can be bought as well. The iLvl 270 gear usually loses its value at level 64 - which vendor gear can be bought in exchange. Once again, vendor gear can be bought at level 64, 66, and 68 - then you are given 290 gear, and can easily make you way up.

For Christ sakes, is the bar that low that we have to give everyone a pass when you learn about gear and iLvl in the very low ARR quests?

FFXIV is a casual game you could play how you like, you are not being asked to be competitive or make it a part of your life.
If someone expect competitive gameplay he/she should play 70 lvl expert/savage content and not bother about lvling dungeons, since there are all kinds of people playing there with messed up gear from many different levels. Low lvl dungeons/trials has been adjusted so anyone could just go through them whatever eq someone has.

You're confusing competitive & competent.

[Nedkel]

Casual game doesn't excuse people having to carry others. If everyone played the game casually, no one would have gotten past Shinryu.

We are talking about 10% difference between someone having full set accessories with primary stat, and someone who has something else.
Should we start complaining about those who play "worse" job dps, since the differences between "best" and "worst" are greater than 10%? Its still a point right, why should we allow monks doing dungeons when they are doing around 27% less than black mages? They could as well play black mages, nothing stops them from doing so, am i right?

I don't think they are asking to be competitive. I think they are asking to be competent.

Also that's unfair to say "Just do expert/savage content". You get rewarded for doing all roulettes.

Don't blame the player blame the game for giving people rewards for doing old content that will have new players in it.

If you put it into pragmatic perspective, then you are better of doing dungeon with someone who has non-primary stat accessories, instead of wasting a time for kicking him and searching for someone else. You either make dungeon 3-4% longer or risk you get someone worse-same and spend time on all this process anyway. You may as well get a monk in your dungeon and do it much longer than you would do with a guy who got kicked simply due to the DPS job differences. You may also kick away a long-time player who have know-how since he is lvling other job and who will do much better than any newbie out there.
There is literally no point in bragging about someone else accessories, it has little to no impact on your dungeon run.

[Kuroka]

Also, how do people even manage to do this? I know you can equip, for example, HW tank gear as a DPS. However, once you get to level 70 gear, it seems to be all locked to classes/jobs that actually use whatever the main stat is. As a DRG, I couldn't equip a level 70 non-DRG piece even if I wanted to.

You could not, others simply will use an old lv 60 or worse or even none at alll ive run into plenty...

TIL wearing the wrong gear is "fun" for some people. Because who cares about the the fun of the other 3-7 people, right? They should carry the guy that doesn't want to do the bare minimum to be in the duty (proper gear), who probably doesn't even know his proper rotation either, because someone lazy enough to not get some pretty easy-to-get gear I highly doubt is gonna put the time learning his job either.

That yeah.... like idm a bit low, but like i just had ppl on the burn using 300 and 320 stuff, rly fun. Cause we are lazy. Just today i helped some ppl clear coil... the blm was lv 60, but still used the lv 120 gear - turns out story wise hes around mor dhona so i suppose 2.x and ofc he didnt have and lv 50+ skills... fun. I pointed him theres that lv250 gear on the mb but he just said its too exensive... lol like 30k for a wep.

He still was rather new and all but still... back then i literally talked to every npc and checked the mb for gear...

Had a tank in Bardem getting one shot by the bosses leaving the dragoon to tank most of it becuase he was wearing the freaking shire gear not augmented just plain ole shire gear.

I had such an SCH.. he literally used the lv 145 book.... no chance.

You lose about 10% dps if you switch to wrong primary stat accessories, thats all.
It wont ruin a game for you or anyone else if 1 person out of 4 will do 10% less, take it easy.

Ok so if i join an ex primal or just get into an dungeon boss and we wipe on 1-3% cause dps-check/too low dps its ok and fun, yeah?