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[zeylos]

FF is fantasy based on real life. I don't have to go further than that. The races obey the core laws of real life: Males are taller and stronger than their females, this is true in every case. The races adhere to the enivornment they live in. Lalafels being the exception, they could have lived anywhere. But try to make me believe that Elezen could have been placed in the Azim Steppe and I could do nothing else but laugh...


The women that lived/live in the Amazon jungles of South America are not of the warrior category.

Moreover, as I explained before, the height of the race could be anything when they're a brand new race. Viera isn't a brand new race, they're a tall race described as ruthless warriors.

FF is a fantasy based on real life, the males (by definition of what a male is) will/have to be be beefier than the females. Beefier than the females puts them in the male Elezen category, but we already have male Elezen so they would have to scale up to be beefier than male Elezen (who are a really skinny race to begin with).




That's the image of what a viera boy would look like. The problem here is that I see too many people trying to make male Viera everything under the sun but what is logical, what the devs already drew. I'll be damned if a bishounen "man" is a jungle warrior

Jungle and Bishounen should never belong in the same sentence. They had their chance with Elezen and their brand new race the Au ra.

I agree with you that make Viera should be muscled, but it makes no sense to say that males have to be stronger than females. First of all, there's many women who are extremely massive irl and are stronger than like 99.9% of men, and what's the point of a fantasy race if they all follow the same rules that humans are believed to do so. Rabbits, what this race is based on, is an animal species on where females are much stronger and bigger than males, so it could very well he a route they decide to take, but I hope they make male Viera similar body type to male au ra

[Amnmaat]

I agree with you that make Viera should be muscled, but it makes no sense to say that males have to be stronger than females. First of all, there's many women who are extremely massive irl and are stronger than like 99.9% of men, and what's the point of a fantasy race if they all follow the same rules that humans are believed to do so. Rabbits, what this race is based on, is an animal species on where females are much stronger and bigger than males, so it could very well he a route they decide to take, but I hope they make male Viera similar body type to male au ra

That's lifestyle. A man and women who are in the military and train all day will show the result of the men being talle and stronger compared to the men, that's how the creator made us.
And again, FF is a fantasy game based on real life, if it wasn't we'd have alien races with 9 arms, a world without cities, etc.

Male Au ra physique would be fine for male Viera, it's close to the concept art. Though they shouldn't have the same body proportion, they should be between male Roe and male Au ra or between male Au ra and male Elezen. Don't want a male Roe and male Hrothgar situation all over agian.

[zeylos]

That's lifestyle. A man and women who are in the military and train all day will show the result of the men being talle and stronger compared to the men, that's how the creator made us.
And again, FF is a fantasy game based on real life, if it wasn't we'd have alien races with 9 arms, a world without cities, etc.

Male Au ra physique would be fine for male Viera, it's close to the concept art. Though they shouldn't have the same body proportion, they should be between male Roe and male Au ra or between male Au ra and male Elezen. Don't want a male Roe and male Hrothgar situation all over agian.

Ok so, first of all, it's not based on sex but on muscle mass who will grow stronger. Then, I mean, there are roegadyns cosplaying on a fursuit, hyurs with huge bunny ears that don't move, potato sized dwarves, humanized girrafes, a race of big and interesting men and a cat girl that forgot her cat suit and has to wear scales instead, a cat girl and cat boi race, a race of female Amazon Valkyries and male huge sumo fighters, and finally, humans, so to me that doesn't look like something too normal

[Gwenorai]

Makes sense for the men to be the stronger of the two genders, honestly. Why else would you make the rarer gender - that is obviously needed for reproduction - be the one that is having an extreme lifestyle where most die during their own training? It makes no sense. Considering the lore has it that only the strongest survive and are allowed to breed then you're talking about the 'creme of the crop' type of deal.

So, yeah... it paints the image that the men are the stronger and more ferocious of the two genders - but the females are fully capable of handling themselves as well. But most of them simply don't wish to and prefer to protect the children and take care of the forest. While the men, that are extreme survivalists are trained to kill anything that sets foot in their woodlands that isn't a Viera - or has a Viera chaperone.

They could completely change this around however and just be all, 'nah, men are out in the woods just because' - but that doesn't make for good storytelling.

So, I personally think the males will have a more muscular build than the females. In regards to the height, this is an unknown as they can fit anywhere. They could be like Bosmer or the other extreme of wood elves.

[zeylos]

Makes sense for the men to be the stronger of the two genders, honestly. Why else would you make the rarer gender - that is obviously needed for reproduction - be the one that is having an extreme lifestyle where most die during their own training? It makes no sense. Considering the lore has it that only the strongest survive and are allowed to breed then you're talking about the 'creme of the crop' type of deal.

So, yeah... it paints the image that the men are the stronger and more ferocious of the two genders - but the females are fully capable of handling themselves as well. But most of them simply don't wish to and prefer to protect the children and take care of the forest. While the men, that are extreme survivalists are trained to kill anything that sets foot in their woodlands that isn't a Viera - or has a Viera chaperone.

They could completely change this around however and just be all, 'nah, men are out in the woods just because' - but that doesn't make for good storytelling.

So, I personally think the males will have a more muscular build than the females. In regards to the height, this is an unknown as they can fit anywhere. They could be like Bosmer or the other extreme of wood elves.

I think that their build will be just like male au ra but without scales. Also, I think they will be of a similar height to male elezen/female viera

[Rokke]

have to chop this down because editing replies on phones is hard sorry

You could plop Wildwoods into the Steppe as easily as you could plop Xaela in the woods. Why are the Xalea males huge and females so darn small? Theres no explanation for it on the Steppe. A female is expected to scale Bardam and fight in the Nadaam so one would think that male Xaela would pursue tall female Xaela to produce LARGER, STRONGER children... but smol animu wives are hella kawaii to warring peoples (ie. Fantasia sales > logical lore). Do really long ears and gangly limbs serve Elezen better in a forest vs. open plains? Not really. Their hearing is worse than Lalas and their long legs don't make them faster, quieter, or anything. They look like that because that is roughly what Elvaan looked like.

That official artbook makes no differentiation between "vera man" and viera boy"- that is concept art of a potential Viera male. If you need proof I can take a picture of my art book later today.

Viera as we know, are tall and lithe: until some point in puberty, males and females look similar. At puberty do male's ears grow freakishly long? Do the males get extra fluffy hair? We have no idea because we have not seen seen them. Yoshi said he imagined them as tall, thin, and elegant like the females. Matsuno said he imagined them as low% body fat and somewhat muscular. The art he reblogged (imo) fits both ideas. Lithe, bunny eared person in borderline fetish-y clothes (for no discernable reason)? Thats a Viera, all right. "Jungle" and "Bishounen" 100% belong in the same sentence when its "Final Fantasy races include Bishounen of the Jungle". This series protags tend to boil down to young, beautiful people with gravity defying hair, impractical outfits, and oversized, overdesigned weapons fighting evil/god/fate/any-combination-of-the-aforementioned. No one missed any chances with Au Ra/Elezen. Again, for better or worse, Au Ra/Elezen fit Final Fantasy to a T: they're pretty, youthful (sans the old person face), and physically capable of holding a giant sword regardless of their setting. There is no reason to believe male Viera could not follow that aesthetic.

Personally I want some muscles, somewhere around Au Ra build-wise, though not as disjointedly giant next to the ladies BUT theres nothing that says they ~need~ to be bulky or incredibly rugged. Thats just as much a headcanon as twinks in the trees.

[SturmChurro]

I agree with you that make Viera should be muscled, but it makes no sense to say that males have to be stronger than females. First of all, there's many women who are extremely massive irl and are stronger than like 99.9% of men, and what's the point of a fantasy race if they all follow the same rules that humans are believed to do so. Rabbits, what this race is based on, is an animal species on where females are much stronger and bigger than males, so it could very well he a route they decide to take, but I hope they make male Viera similar body type to male au ra

Actually men are stronger than women naturally. That is an objective fact, even if a woman trains to her hearts desire a man who doesn't will still generally be stronger. Not saying there aren't tons of women who are stronger than many men, but it's not the same.

[zeylos]

Actually men are stronger than women naturally. That is an objective fact, even if a woman trains to her hearts desire a man who doesn't will still generally be stronger. Not saying there aren't tons of women who are stronger than many men, but it's not the same.

I agree on that partially. A majority of men tends to be stronger than the majority of women, but like you said, there's many women who are stronger than most men. I think that has to do with hormones and muscle mass

[Lauront]

Makes sense for the men to be the stronger of the two genders, honestly. Why else would you make the rarer gender - that is obviously needed for reproduction - be the one that is having an extreme lifestyle where most die during their own training? It makes no sense. Considering the lore has it that only the strongest survive and are allowed to breed then you're talking about the 'creme of the crop' type of deal.

So, yeah... it paints the image that the men are the stronger and more ferocious of the two genders - but the females are fully capable of handling themselves as well. But most of them simply don't wish to and prefer to protect the children and take care of the forest. While the men, that are extreme survivalists are trained to kill anything that sets foot in their woodlands that isn't a Viera - or has a Viera chaperone.

They could completely change this around however and just be all, 'nah, men are out in the woods just because' - but that doesn't make for good storytelling.

So, I personally think the males will have a more muscular build than the females. In regards to the height, this is an unknown as they can fit anywhere. They could be like Bosmer or the other extreme of wood elves.

The females are no doubt competent warriors, but one advantage they have over the males is that they live together in villages. They therefore don't even need to be as physically menacing on an individual level. Even if the odd Viera male cooperates with another, there isn't ready availability of them, unlike the situation with the females. This (the males' solitary nature) is nothing like Amazonian tribes, which live together, and we also have to remember that the thing people keep bringing up - limited protein availability - does not apply to a setting where you have big hulking monsters roaming around, providing ample protein.

Also, on the topic of suspension of disbelief, since it came up; I am willing to do it to an extent, because most jobs/classes lean on aether for their power, and materia is also there to augment one's natural abilities, albeit it's not that widely available. After all, the Buduga are an all male tribe precisely because the men of their race are much stronger. Aether goes some way in replicating the role technology plays, if one finds it odd that Viera females are not haggard. But it isn't good world building to just throw in "lul magic" for every conceivable thing, especially if you don't elaborate on it. Unfortunately the setting is plagued by what Rokke mentions, i.e. fantasia sales > lore, which compromises it, IMO, but it doesn't mean they should make it goofy all around just because they do in some instances.

Fortuitously, we know Au Ra men have a sizeable amount of players playing them, so provided you endowed Viera men with fluid animations, like Miqo'te but more suited to their graceful nature, you could have the recipe for a popular race.

Magnai, a 7’2” muscular male who has spent the bulk of his life swinging a comically huge axe should be able to lop my catgirl’s head off with ease. But irl logic =/= final fantasy logic and in this game we are to accept that tiny females can be “dangerous”.

Your character is also the WoL, who bears a deity's blessing.

[Gwenorai]

True, Square is known for Bishounen characters. I still think they're just going to look like 'Caius Ballard' but with bunny ears.