5.0 healer catastrophizing is illogical - Change My Mind

[ForteNightshade]

I can see that this thread has devolved into much of the same stupidity and overreactions that the rest of the healer forum is going through.

It's almost as though resorting to personal attacks and championing a holier-than-thou attitude doesn't produce good results. Imagine that. I am still waiting for that proof you're such a talented healer, by the way.

[ForteNightshade]

How positively arrogant, at the end of the day it's a game and if the game ceases to he fun play a different game. I admit me throwing my two sense in is very hypocritical, but I'm the weirdo who thrived playing 4.0 sch so I'm absolutely ok with what I'm seeing.

How is that in any way arrogant? They are essentially saying "why should good players who put in the effort to learn and improve on their respective job settle for a dumbed down version because other players weren't willing to put in that same effort?" Bear in mind, a good player does not inherently mean you must clear Savage or Ultimate. I can point you to plenty of talented players who have never stepped foot in either but they still put in the time to learn. "Fun" is not a worthwhile argument because it's subjective. Some people think it's fun spamming Medica II endlessly, others think they can invent their own rotation and still do top DPS.

You're allowed to be happy with the changes. I certainly will not deny you that privilege. However, others are equally allowed to be upset by them.

[Brandedblade]

How is that in any way arrogant? They are essentially saying "why should good players who put in the effort to learn and improve on their respective job settle for a dumbed down version because other players weren't willing to put in that same effort?" Bear in mind, a good player does not inherently mean you must clear Savage or Ultimate. I can point you to plenty of talented players who have never stepped foot in either but they still put in the time to learn. "Fun" is not a worthwhile argument because it's subjective. Some people think it's fun spamming Medica II endlessly, others think they can invent their own rotation and still do top DPS.

You're allowed to be happy with the changes. I certainly will not deny you that privilege. However, others are equally allowed to be upset by them.

The elitism of "I shouldn't have to cater to less skilled players." That's what comes off as arrogant.

[Deceptus]

The sky definitely isn't falling but Stormclouds are on the horizon.

If you can't look at these healers and see what a homogenized mess they are, you're simply not trying. Yes they have some cool stuff, but it's all bells and whistles to hide the fact they're dumbed-down.

[Endeleon]

The elitism of "I shouldn't have to cater to less skilled players." That's what comes off as arrogant.

Except healers have always catered to less skilled players. Just with SCH we have excog, fey union, emergency tactics, largesse, lustrate spam with dissipation, all things that help less skilled players get out of oh crap moments. You are basically saying that these less skilled players should be catered to SOLELY and that the opinions of the people who utilize the jobs completely are not even worth bothering for. I think you are the arrogant and entitled one here.

[EriShvakh]

Almost took this thread seriously but then saw OP's lack of effort in subsequent posts. 4\10 see me after class.

[Roric_Candor]

The elitism of "I shouldn't have to cater to less skilled players." That's what comes off as arrogant.

That isn't arrogance, that's just expecting rewards for becoming more familiar with a class and putting time and effort towards optimization. That's the entire point of mastering a class in the first place, people are upset that there's significantly less to master now.

[MizArai]

If by strong you mean they can overheal all day while standing around throwing rocks at thing--just waiting for someone to fall to 80% health to heal them for WAY more than they need? Then, yea they look strong alright. Boring as heck too. Truth is, these are dumb changes. SE should bring back Miasma 2 (/w the aoe dot and lower resource cost to cast), bane, shadowflare, and add some other non-healing tools so we're not whittling our thumbs waiting for someone to die.

I mean, if forced to play a SCH I might let people fall to 40% health before healing just out of boredom for the added drama and the illusion of high-stake gameplay.
But, please guys--YOU should log in and play healer if you can stomach this brain-dead, humdrum garbage. I'll need some of you pliable players in que to heal for my upcoming dps <3

Sebazy does play healer. There were other comments that led to them saying SCH is still going to be plenty strong. The honest truth is all 3 healers will still be "playable" (though some might have problems clearing everything easily at launch like with Stormblood). The most telling part of that quote to me is them feeling bad for the people who "have to play this watered down version" of SCH. We can see the healers got lots of bad changes. They got some coolish flashy stuff, but none of us got what we wanted or needed to balance us out. And turning all 3 healers into copy-pastas of each other seems really lazy and like a super bad call to me.

[Semirhage]

I fail to see how being mad that my favorite job flavor has received useless, redundant, and boring changes along with a bunch of unwarranted nerfs while remaining one of the weakest, blandest jobs in the game for the majority of the past several expansions makes me an "entitled spoiled child", because being spoiled implies getting favorable treatment in the first place.

[Rai_Takara]

I'm happy that the core healing kits are being homogenized. Makes it easier to balance healers and introduce new ones later. I don't get the doom and gloom though.